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    Re: Is make a linking verb in make sure?

    Ah, Im delighted because this is a question I have had for a long time and havent found a satisfying answer to yet. Now I learn that there are even two different terms for it or maybe not? Maybe its different things?

    Are these sentences middle voice or mediopassive?

    This fabric washes well.
    Synthetic shirts iron easily.
    Polished surfaces clean easily.
    Thrillers and detective stories sell well.
    My bike brakes poorly.

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    #12

    Re: Is make a linking verb in make sure?

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    Ah, Im delighted because this is a question I have had for a long time and havent found a satisfying answer to yet.
    Same here.

    Let us see the first one:

    The fabric washes itself well.
    The fabric is washable.

    Are both sentences okay to you?



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    #13

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    The fabric washes itself well. No.
    The fabric is washable. Yes.

    I don't have a problem with usage, and if in doubt I usually find a smart way around it to avoid a potential gaffe. But I want to understand the principle and the grammatical explanation for both terms. So far the lightbulb effect hasn't occurred

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    #14

    Re: Is make a linking verb in make sure?

    Quote Originally Posted by pollis View Post
    If I take a look at your link, fivejedjohn, it says, the meaning is closer to passive. Is I broke the porcelain easily. passive-like? That is absurd, do you not think?
    It is farcically absurd. That's probably why that's not what it says in the link.

    Given the fact you are a teacher, fivejed, I am sure your stating otherwise was only a minor slip.
    It would have been a slip, had I said it.
    Last edited by 5jj; 11-Oct-2011 at 13:41. Reason: typo

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    Polys and Pollis.

    Dupond et Dupond?
    Thompson and Thomson?

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    Polys and Pollis.

    Dupond et Dupond?
    Thompson and Thomson?
    Corum and Decorum?

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    Corum and Decorum?
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    #18

    Re: Is make a linking verb in make sure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Polys View Post
    make sure that... = SCV (and not the canonical SVC)
    Sorry! What do SCV and SVC mean?

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    #19

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    Polys, Pollis - whatever. Maybe Trollis.

    But is there - possibly, perhaps, please - a way for me to learn what the difference between middle voice and mediopassive is? Or am I just too thick to get this?

    SCV/SVC: subject-complement-verb / subject-verb-complement.

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    #20

    Re: Is make a linking verb in make sure?

    Type 'mediopassive' in the search box at the top and you'll be taken to a couple of threads, though you won't learn a great deal there.

    Basically, we are taalking about verbs such like 'break' mentioned above, though few British grammarians consider that there is a 'middle' voice or 'mediopassive' as such in English. It's one of those red herrings that crop up when people like trollis appear on the scene. I doubt if one percent of teachers of English have heard of the terms.


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