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    Re: dessert, /ə/

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    That makes no difference. The same vowel is heard in, for example, before. For some speakers, that vowel is indeed /ɪ/.
    "A --> B" doesn't rule out "C --> B".

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    #12

    Re: dessert, /ə/

    Quote Originally Posted by pizza View Post
    How do I know to stress or 'unstress' a vowel?
    Stress dictates the quality of a vowel. Take a nonsense word like catak.

    'catak = cat-ak
    ca'tak = ca-tak

    See the difference in the syllable structure, stress and vowels

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    #13

    Re: dessert, /ə/

    Quote Originally Posted by raindoctor View Post
    'catak = cat-ak
    ca'tak = ca-tak

    See the difference in the syllable structure, stress and vowels
    Unfortunately, your post says nothing about how the vowels are pronounced.

    @ pizza. Some languages are pretty consistent in that a certain syllable (for example the first, the second, etc) is always stressed. This is not true of English. We have no way of knowing how a new word in the language is stressed until we hear it used. Once a word has been used enough for dictionaries to record it, we can then check there..

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    #14

    Re: dessert, /ə/

    Quote Originally Posted by raindoctor View Post
    "A --> B" doesn't rule out "C --> B".
    Sorry, but I do not see the relevance of this - indeed, I am not sure that I understand it.

    You wrote, "Both /d/ and /s/ are alveolars. Therefore, your hearing /ɪ/, instead of a schwa, is reasonable". The use of 'therefore' suggests that it was the presence of the alveolars that caused /ɪ/ to be heard. I pointed out that this was not so; /ɪ/ can occur between bilabial and labio-dental (and other) consonants.

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