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Possesives are determiners and a noun can take only one determiner. Therefore
The Tom's car is red.
is incorrect unless it's an unlikely case a specific Tom we want to talk about.
It has always been a difficult rule for me to abide by. I recently wrote
I could try to believe that it's just my stubborn Polish brain refusing to accept reality. But it's impossible when I think of the phrase "a children's book". Clearly, this is exactly a possessive used like a regular adjective. "A" doesn't (what's the word, determine?) "children", but "children's book".
Could you please explain to me when exactly is it possible use possessives this way. I know "children's book" is a fixed phrase. But it must have been conceived by a native mind so maybe it's not impossible in other cases?
The Tom's car is red.
is incorrect unless it's an unlikely case a specific Tom we want to talk about.
It has always been a difficult rule for me to abide by. I recently wrote
After posting it, I went out and couldn't remember if I didn't write "a Jethro Tull's prog masterpiece". The problem is that it doesn't sound wrong to me and I was sure I could have written it. Actually, it sounds better to me. In my mind, it's "one of the masterpieces by Jethro Tull". Or, again violating the rule, "one of the (Jethro Tull's masterpieces)". I see "Jethro Tull's" as an adjective here. If there was an adjective like "jethrotullian", all of these phrases would be correct after substituting "jethrotullian" for "Jethro Tull's"."Thick as a Brick" is also the title of Jethro Tull's prog masterpiece.
I could try to believe that it's just my stubborn Polish brain refusing to accept reality. But it's impossible when I think of the phrase "a children's book". Clearly, this is exactly a possessive used like a regular adjective. "A" doesn't (what's the word, determine?) "children", but "children's book".
Could you please explain to me when exactly is it possible use possessives this way. I know "children's book" is a fixed phrase. But it must have been conceived by a native mind so maybe it's not impossible in other cases?