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    #1

    needn't ever have done so.

    This is a grammar question. Does it mean "He didn't need to do so in the past" or what? Seems confusing.
    Hearts and Hands by O. Henry
    "The ambassador," said the girl, warmly, "doesn't call any more. He needn't ever have done so. You ought to know that. And so now you are one of these dashing Western heroes, and you ride and shoot and go into all kinds of dangers. That's different from the Washington life. You have been missed from the old crowd."

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    #2

    Re: needn't ever have done so.

    it means
    He never needs to do so .You have pointed out past only but it applies for all the time.

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    Re: needn't ever have done so.

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    This is a grammar question. Does it mean "He didn't need to do so in the past" or what? Seems confusing.
    Hearts and Hands by O. Henry
    "The ambassador," said the girl, warmly, "doesn't call any more. He needn't ever have done so. You ought to know that. And so now you are one of these dashing Western heroes, and you ride and shoot and go into all kinds of dangers. That's different from the Washington life. You have been missed from the old crowd."
    Does it mean "He didn't need to do so in the past"? Yes.

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    Re: needn't ever have done so.

    Quote Originally Posted by onkar View Post
    i It means:
    He never needs to do so .You have pointed out past only but it applies for to all the time.
    No. billmcd's response is correct.

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    Re: needn't ever have done so.

    It suggests that he used to call, even though it wasn't necessary. He no longer calls at all.

    "The ambassador doesn't call any more. He needn't ever have done so." What is unspoken is "He needn't ever have done so, but he did."

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    Re: needn't ever have done so.

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    It suggests that he used to call, even though it wasn't necessary. He no longer calls at all.

    "The ambassador doesn't call any more. He needn't ever have done so." What is unspoken is "He needn't ever have done so, but he did."
    Then, what's the difference between "He didn't need to do so" and "He needn't have done so"? No difference?

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    #7

    Re: needn't ever have done so.

    "He didn't need to do so" - He probably did not actually do it; context will make this clear.
    "He needn't have done so" - He did it.

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