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    Are these correct expressions?
    " To show our respect, we take our gloves off whoever we are to shake hands with."
    "To improve the quality of our products, we asked for suggestions whoever had used the products."

    I think we should change them as below,
    " To show our respect, we take our gloves off for whoever we are to shake hands with."
    "To improve the quality of our products, we asked whoever had used the products for suggestions ."

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    Re: object clause

    Quote Originally Posted by *^^* View Post
    Are these correct expressions?
    " To show our respect, we take our gloves off whoever we are to shake hands with."
    What are they doing with our gloves on in the first place?


    "To improve the quality of our products, we asked for suggestions whoever had used the products."


    I think we should change them as below,
    " To show our respect, we take our gloves off for whoever we are to shake hands with."
    "To improve the quality of our products, we asked whoever had used the products for suggestions ."
    Yes, you're right, but I think you know that already.
    The second is probably too complicated. You could replace the underlined phrase with "users".

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    Re: object clause

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    " To show our respect, we take our gloves off for whoever we are to shake hands with."

    NOT A TEACHER


    (1) I think that you are interested in writing "perfect" English.

    (2) I most respectfully suggest, therefore, that some strict teachers may require:

    To show our respect, we take our gloves off/ take off our gloves for whomever we are to

    skake hands with.

    (a) "whomever" is the object of the preposition "for."

    (i) That is, "take off our gloves for anyone whom we are to shake hands with."

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    Smile Re: object clause

    sorry, I didn't make myself clear. the first sentences are from my text book. but I feel they are weird, What I'm confused is not the meaning of the sentences, but the grammar. I don't care what they are doing with the gloves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Yes, you're right,means the second sentences are right, or my judge to the first sentences is right?
    but I think you know that already.
    No,I don't.=) It's true.I lack of confidence.
    The second is probably too complicated. You could replace the underlined phrase with "users".
    Last edited by *^^*; 14-Dec-2011 at 13:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *^^* View Post


    " To show our respect, we take our gloves off for whoever we are to shake hands with."

    NOT A TEACHER


    (1) I think that you are interested in writing "perfect" English. I don't know they r "perfect" english.=), So What I changed make the sentences unnatural?

    (2) I most respectfully suggest, therefore, that some strict teachers may require:

    To show our respect, we take our gloves off/ take off our gloves for whomever we are to

    skake hands with.

    (a) "whomever" is the object of the preposition "for."

    (i) That is, "take off our gloves for anyone whom we are to shake hands with."

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    Re: object clause

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    I have just answered you in a private message. I hope that you received it.

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    Re: object clause

    To show our respect, we take our gloves off whoever we are to shake hands with.

    I think it would be correct with a comma between "off" and "whoever". In this case, "whomever" would be impossible.

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    Re: object clause

    How about simply "we take our gloves off when we shake hands."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    How about simply "we take our gloves off when we shake hands."
    Nah! Too simple.

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    Re: object clause

    Quote Originally Posted by *^^* View Post
    sorry, I didn't make myself clear. the first sentences are from my text book. but I feel they are weird, What I'm confused is not the meaning of the sentences, but the grammar. I don't care what they are doing with the gloves.
    I don't think this is possible (that you don't care about the meaning). You can't be concerned with the syntax, but not the semantics.
    Both original sentences are non-grammatical.
    To change your first sentence to make it grammatical, simply change 'whoever', to 'whomever':
    "To show our respect, we take our gloves off whomever we are to shake hands with."
    That makes it grammatical, ie. syntactically correct. But it doesn't mean what you want it to mean. You do care whether your sentence has the people taking their own gloves off themselves, not off the other people. You do care if your sentence, amended to make it grammatical, means what you think it means.

    "Yes, you're right,means the second sentences are right"

    Yes, that's the only assertion you made. The only line in your post that "Yes, you are right" could possibly refer to is "I think we should change them as below."
    As you've found out, though, not everyone would accept your amended sentences as being right.

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