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    that ommission

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    "She always thank me for the money that I give her."
    (from practical english usage)

    Here Swan didn't by any means indicate that that could be omitted(he put that in paranthesis in the prev example).Isn't that ommittable here?why?

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    Re: that ommission

    Quote Originally Posted by hooshdar3 View Post
    Hi.
    "She always thanks me for the money that I give her."
    (from Practical English Usage)

    Here Swan didn't by any means indicate that 'that' could be omitted (he put 'that' in parenthesis in the above example). Isn't 'that' omittable here?
    Please transcribe quotes accurately. If Swan put 'that' in brackets it means it is optional.
    Therefore it can be omitted.

    (The word 'omitable' [however you want to spell it] is non-standard.)



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    Re: that ommission

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    Please transcribe quotes accurately. If Swan put 'that' in brackets it means it is optional.
    Therefore it can be omitted.

    (The word 'omitable' [however you want to spell it] is non-standard.)



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    What should I've said in stead of omitable?
    he did not put that that in brackets.

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    Re: that ommission

    You could say 'Can 'that' be omitted?'

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    Re: that ommission

    Quote Originally Posted by hooshdar3 View Post
    Hi.
    "She always thank me for the money that I give her."
    (from "Practical English Usage")

    Here Swan didn't by any means indicate that that could be omitted(he put that in paranthesis in the prev example).Isn't that ommittable here?why?
    If you're going to quote a reference, please give the page number. A lot of us have this book so, this way, we could check whether you've misunderstood something.

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    Re: that ommission

    Besides the "that" question, it should read "She always thanks me ..."

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    Re: that ommission

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    If you're going to quote a reference, please give the page number. A lot of us have this book so, this way, we could check whether you've misunderstood something.

    2005 ed, 511.2(page 500)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshdar3 View Post
    2005 ed, 511.2(page 500)
    Thanks, Yes, you're right. It appears to be a small inconsistency. To me, "that" can be omitted from both sentences.

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    Re: that ommission

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Thanks, Yes, you're right. It appears to be a small inconsistency. To me, "that" can be omitted from both sentences.
    There's your answer, hooshdar3. You could also ask 'can I/you/we/one omit it?' (or the less formal 'Can I leave it out' - you'll find that phrasal verbs are usually preferred to latinate synonyms in informal situations). Alternatively, you can say 'Is it required/essential/necessary/needed...? or 'Do we have to use it?' - neither is the same question, but they lead to the same conclusion], or the rather formal 'Is it dispensable?' [which has the drawback that you may have to look it up - as I did - to check on whether it's -ible or -able )

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    Re: that ommission

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    There's your answer, hooshdar3. You could also ask 'can I/you/we/one omit it?' (or the less formal 'Can I leave it out' - you'll find that phrasal verbs are usually preferred to latinate synonyms in informal situations). Alternatively, you can say 'Is it required/essential/necessary/needed...? or 'Do we have to use it?' - neither is the same question, but they lead to the same conclusion], or the rather formal 'Is it dispensable?' [which has the drawback that you may have to look it up - as I did - to check on whether it's -ible or -able )

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    Thank you.
    Can that be omitted after all verbs?Say an example would be:
    For a more realistic example, suppose the key can take any value in the range 0 to 65,535
    Hashing Tutorial: Section 1 - Introduction

    Here it was suppose (that) I believe, But after what verbs can/cannot 'that' be omitted?

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