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    #1

    Article before of phrases

    Ex:

    1.
    a) Check your application for validation of qualification.
    b) Check your application for the validation of qualification.

    2.
    a) Check your application for renunciation of nationality
    b) Check your application for the renunciation of nationality

    3.

    a) The renunciation of nationality is on the rise in Japan.
    b) Renunciation of nationailty is on the rise in Japan.

    Q: You do not need "the" in front of uncountable (in use) nouns for "of phrases" unless you are talking about a specific case, right?

    If so, except for Ex3, you do not need "the", right? Or is it also not necesary for Ex3 as well?


    Thanks in advance.

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    #2

    Re: Article before of phrases

    You do not need the in any of your examples.

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    #3

    Re: Article before of phrases

    Could you elaborate on why a bit though?

    And maybe a site/link on the subject?

    I normally tend to put the article before the of phrases to be safe. Now I am trying to find the rules/proper understanding of the logic (I think I may have read up on it somewhere).

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    #4

    Re: Article before of phrases

    Quote Originally Posted by vcolts View Post
    Could you elaborate on why a bit though?

    And maybe a site/link on the subject?

    I normally tend to put the article before the of phrases to be safe. Now I am trying to find the rules/proper understanding of the logic (I think I may have read up on it somewhere).
    Hi.
    I am also a little confused about that.

    Have a look of the following links.

    https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/g...-articles.html

    https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/a...confusion.html

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    Re: Article before of phrases

    PS Added
    Quote Originally Posted by vcolts View Post
    Ex:

    1.
    a) Check your application for validation of qualification.
    b) Check your application for the validation of qualification.
    ...
    It's not clear what this means; if you've quoted it verbatim from an application form, are you sure you want to study/work at this place? But if it means 'Check your application form to make sure that you've included documentary proof of the qualifications you claim to have', there is no need for 'the'. In some context like 'The validation of X is a very easy process', there is; it is talking about a particular process. But if I've guessed the meaning right, 'validation of qualification' means something general: 'whatever you need to prove...'. (Of course, what they really mean is something specific - the certificates.)

    Quote Originally Posted by vcolts View Post

    2.
    a) Check your application for renunciation of nationality
    b) Check your application for the renunciation of nationality
    ...
    Again, I have no idea what this means, but I'm pretty sure Rover's right,
    Quote Originally Posted by vcolts View Post
    3.

    a) The renunciation of nationality is on the rise in Japan.
    b) Renunciation of nationailty is on the rise in Japan.
    ...
    Again, I have no idea what this means, but I'm pretty sure Rover's right,


    Quote Originally Posted by vcolts View Post
    Q: You do not need "the" in front of uncountable (in use) nouns for "of phrases" unless you are talking about a specific case, right?

    If so, except for Ex3, you do not need "the", right? Or is it also not necesary for Ex3 as well?


    Thanks in advance.
    I'm afraid I don't have a link - I don't know of any grammar that specifically discusses what you have called 'of phrases'.

    b

    PS sumon: in the other thread, 5jj recommended Swan. It's very good.
    Last edited by BobK; 19-Jan-2012 at 16:09. Reason: PS Added

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