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    future perfect tense

    1. I shall have finished cooking before Tom arrives home.

    2. I will finish cooking before Tom arrives home.

    3. I shall finish cooking before Tom arrives home
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    I want to practise writing sentences with future perfect tense.

    a. Is the above sentence number 1. correct?

    b. What are the differences between number 1 and 2 ?

    c. What are the differences between number 3 and 2 ?

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    #2

    Re: future perfect tense

    Quote Originally Posted by Ju View Post
    1. I shall have finished cooking before Tom arrives home.
    2. I will finish cooking before Tom arrives home.
    3. I shall finish cooking before Tom arrives home
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    a. Is the above sentence number 1. correct? It's grammatically correct.
    Only a small number of speakers of BrE use 'shall' with 'I' and 'we' in the so-called future tenses. Most native speakers use 'will' with all persons. 'Will' would be more natural for most speakers here.


    b. What are the differences between number 1 and 2 ? #1 stresses the completion of the cooking. However, as the words 'before' and 'finish' make this clear, #2 does the job more simply.

    c. What are the differences between number 3 and 2 ? See my answer to your first question.
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    Re: future perfect tense

    Quote Originally Posted by Ju View Post
    1. I shall have finished cooking before Tom arrives home.

    2. I will finish cooking before Tom arrives home.

    3. I shall finish cooking before Tom arrives home
    __________________________________________________ __________

    I want to practise writing sentences with future perfect tense.

    a. Is the above sentence number 1. correct? Yes.

    b. What are the differences between number 1 and 2 ? None.

    c. What are the differences between number 3 and 2 ? None.
    However, as an AmE speaker I would subscribe to this excerpt from the Grammar Girl website:
    "In America, will has replaced shall in all but a few cases. If you use shall in the British way during normal conversation, you might end up sounding pretentious or haughty .The most common two places youll see shall in America are in legal documents and in lofty prose." But in my own experience, I use and have heard the use of "shall" for first person (I, we) questions as in, "Shall I meet you for lunch?"

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    Re: future perfect tense

    The use of "shall" has been put perfectly in the last post. I would rarely use it in the negative or in a statement but I would use it for constructions like "Shall we have lunch?", "Shall I meet you at 2.30?" However, my use in those sentences isn't to suggest "will" in the normal future tense, but would mean something closer to "Do you think it would be a good idea for us to have lunch?" or "How about we meet at 2.30?"

    When I shared a flat with an Irish girl, she used "will" where I used "shall" and I found it very unnatural.
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    Re: future perfect tense

    When I shared a flat with an Irish girl, she used "will" where I used "shall" and I found it very unnatural.
    Will would be perfectly acceptable in Hiberno English in the following context.

    e.g. "Will we have lunch tomorrow?"

    I've rarely heard Irish-English speakers use "shall" to make offers/suggestions.
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    Re: future perfect tense

    Quote Originally Posted by shannico View Post
    Will would be perfectly acceptable in Hiberno English in the following context.

    e.g. "Will we have lunch tomorrow?"

    I've rarely heard Irish-English speakers use "shall" to make offers/suggestions.
    I think this represents an influence of Gaelge (Irish Gaelic) on Hiberno-English.
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    Re: future perfect tense

    You are so right!!

    Hiberno-English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Sln (Bye).

    p.s. Check under other influences.
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    #8

    Re: future perfect tense

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    If I write the sentences like this:

    1. I shall have finished cooking at 1pm before Tom arrives home.
    2. I will finish cooking at 1pm before Tom arrives home.


    Are the above sentences still the same?

    Thank you.

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    #9

    Re: future perfect tense

    Quote Originally Posted by Ju View Post
    If I write the sentences like this:

    1. I shall have finished cooking at 1pm before Tom arrives home.
    2. I will finish cooking at 1pm before Tom arrives home.


    Are the above sentences still the same?

    Thank you.
    1. I don't know when you will finish, but it will be before 1 p.m.
    2. You will finish exactly at 1 p.m

    In both cases, I don't know what time Tom gets home, but it's after 1 p.m.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: future perfect tense

    Quote Originally Posted by Ju View Post
    1. I shall have finished cooking at 1pm before Tom arrives home.
    2. I will finish cooking at 1pm before Tom arrives home.
    Note that, though both 'shall' and 'will' are possible, most speakers would use either 'shall' or 'will' in both senetnces.

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