I can see several possibilities here:
In 2002 when Korea advanced to the semifinal, Koreans went wild. (Not parenthetical)
In 2002, when Korea advanced to the semifinal, professional football was in a state of chaos. (Parenthetical)
Last edited by BobSmith; 26-Jan-2012 at 16:55.
I can't understand how some clauses become comments, and others become defining ones, not knowing the criteria.
ex)In 2002 when Korea advanced to the semifinal, Koreans went wild. (Not parenthetical)
Sorry to post this so late, but I have always maintained that by specifying a time at the beginning of a sentence, the writer can easily avoid confusion.
In 2000, he was 24 and I was 5.
Obviously, the comma is necessary.
I wonder if the quote
"Hey, how come Andrew gets to get up? If he gets up, we'll all get up, it'll be anarchy."
should actually be
"Hey, how come Andrew gets to get up? If he gets up, we'll all get up, it'll be anarchic."
ex)He was 24 in 2000, when I was only five years old. (comma needed) => the non-defining clause is not essential to know his age in 2000 as 2000 never changes.
=> He was 24 in the year when I was only five years old.(no comma) => the defining clause is essential to give the information of his age!!!
Just to verify one thing! In almost every Korean English grammar books, non-defining clause of relative pronoun(adverb) is defined as "consecutive usage of relative pronoun(adverb) not "non-defining clause". I was really surprised to see your explanation about "non-defining clause"
The grammar books define that in consecutive usage, relative pronoun(adverb) should be decomposed to (and, but, for)+antecedent, so they mainly focus on this concept, not additional information, which I have lost so far. So are the following true?
I wonder which I should focus on more, its being extra information or the decomposition or both.
who/which= (and, but, for)+antecedent
1) I passed the ball to Brian, who missed it.
= I passed the ball to Brian, but he missed it.
2)This house has a bedroom, which faces south
= This house has a bedroom, and it faces south.
Last edited by keannu; 26-Jan-2012 at 23:14.
I suggest that if you want to get anywhere with English, ignore Korean grammars of English.
And try to forget the word 'decomposition'.
ps. keannu, since you joined us thirteen months ago, you have submitted nearly 1,500 posts, at an average rate of 3.78 a day. Most of your posts have been questions, and most have received more than one response – I would guess that you have received an absolute minimum of 2,000 responses to your posts.
If you spent as much time thinking about the responses as you do formulating new questions, you might find that you needed to ask fewer questions.
Last edited by 5jj; 27-Jan-2012 at 00:00. Reason: ps added