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    #1

    Question me or myself?

    Got this email from my friend:


    Many things and many people are waiting for you, me included!

    Is me correct? Or should it be myself?

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    #2

    Re: me or myself?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tedwonny View Post
    Got this email from my friend:


    Many things and many people are waiting for you, me included!

    Is me correct? Or should it be myself?
    They both sound OK to me.

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    #3

    Re: me or myself?

    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****


    Tedwonny,


    (1) I did some research and am delighed to share it with you.



    (2) According to the Learner's Dictionary, me and myself are "correct."

    (3) I also checked the many books in the Google book section and found that

    "me included" is used by many writers.

    (4) I also found one very strict teacher named Don Hoeferkamp in his book A

    Lighthearted Book of Common Errors (2011), page 59. He writes that "myself"

    is not a "stand-alone subsitutute for the personal pronoun I or me."

    (a) Mr. Hoeferkamp says that we should write "I included" or "including me."

    (a) I checked the Web a bit but could not find any examples of "I included."

    (b) I personally believe that he is "correct" in terms of strict grammar, but nobody

    seems to follow his "rule."

    (5) So I guess that we can say:

    Everyone was there, me/myself included.
    Everyone was there, including me.
    Everyone, me/myself included, was there.
    Everyone, including me, was there.

    ***

    And for those who have the courage to follow Mr. Hoeferkamp's advice:

    Everyone was there, I included.
    Everyone was there, including me.
    Everyone, I included, was there.
    Everyone, including me, was there.

    (6) I also learned that "included" is analyzed as a postpositive adjective.

    That is, it is an adjective, and its position ("positive") is always after ("post")

    the noun/pronoun.


    ***

    Many people found your question very interesting, I included.
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    #4

    Re: me or myself?

    Can I say for example:

    Everyone is looking for a better life, you included.

    Thank you in advance.

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    #5

    Re: me or myself?

    Quote Originally Posted by symaa View Post
    Can I say for example:

    Everyone is looking for a better life, you included.

    CAUTION: NOT A TEACHER


    (1) I think (repeat: think) that your sentence is grammatically fine.

    (2) I have noticed that many people would also use "yourself" in that sentence.

    (3) I guess that very strict teacher whom I mentioned in my first post would allow

    only "you."

    Tom: Why are so many people coming to this country?

    Mona: Because everyone is looking for a better liife, you/yourself included.
    Because everyone is looking for a better life, including you.
    Because everyone, you/ yourself included, is looking for a better life.
    Because everyone, including you, is looking for a better life.

    (I guess some native speakers would also say "including yourself." Of course,

    that strict teacher would be very upset.)

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    #6

    Re: me or myself?

    Thank you so much for the clarification.

    Regards,

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    #7

    Re: me or myself?

    Oh, thank goodness, that's very kind of you!

    Impressive enthusiasm about language and linguistics! =]

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