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    clause beginning "and which"

    FOWLER'S MODERN ENGLISH USAGE 3RD ED states that a clause beginning "and which" must have the same grammatical value as the first "which" clause.

    i don't know what this mean, but Fow gave this example of a MISmatched "and which" clause:

    "His writing has a childlike quality WHICH is appropirate, given that...AND WHICH i find endearing" (This is an approximate rendering, because i don't have the book with me)

    Can some kind forum member explain what is wrong with the above sentence

    Thank you

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    Re: clause beginning "and which"

    If you want our comments on what people have written, then you need to quote what they have written, not your vague memory of what they might have written.

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    Re: clause beginning "and which"

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Togher View Post
    FOWLER'S MODERN ENGLISH USAGE 3RD ED states that a clause beginning "and which" must have the same grammatical value as the first "which" clause.

    i don't know what this mean, but Fow gave this example of a mismatched "and which" clause:

    "His writing has a childlike quality WHICH is appropriate, given that...AND WHICH i find endearing" (This is an approximate rendering, because i don't have the book with me)

    Can some kind forum member explain what is wrong with the above sentence

    Thank you
    Please remember to punctuate your sentences and capitalise "I".

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    Re: clause beginning "and which"

    [QUOTE=Richard Togher;853276]


    I do not have to warn you about my not being a teacher because, of course, I shall

    not even try to answer such a difficult question.

    I shall list the facts so that someone else can answer your question.

    (1) On page 845 of the third edition of Fowler, there is your sentence:

    In contrast Peake's use of elevated language has a childlike quality which is

    appropriate given that the protagonist , Titus, is a boy, and which I found endearing.

    (2) This sentence is labled "misfitted."

    (3) The third edition quotes Fowler:

    And which ...should not be used unless the coming which-clause has been preceded

    by a clause or expression of the same grammatical value as itself.

    *****

    OK, I have stated the facts. Now wait for a teacher's answer. Good luck!

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    Re: clause beginning "and which"

    Page 845 of the third edition of Fowler's Modern English Usage says:

    'And which ...should not be used unless the coming which-clause has been preceded by a clause or expression of the same grammatical value as itself.'

    Fowler than gives the following as an example of a MISmatched and which clause

    "In contrast Peake's use of elevated language has a childlike quality which is appropriate given that the protagonist , Titus, is a boy, and which I found endearing."

    I do not know what is wrong with this claue, that is, i don't know what is meant by same grammatical value

    Can any forum members please enlighten me

    PS Thanks, PARSER, for providing the exact quote

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    Re: clause beginning "and which"

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Togher View Post
    "In contrast Peake's use of elevated language has a childlike quality which (grammatical subject) is appropriate given that the protagonist , Titus, is a boy, and which (grammatical object) I found endearing."
    The 'grammatical values' are in blue.

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    Re: clause beginning "and which"

    FOWLER'S MODERN ENGLISH USAGE 3RD ED states that a clause beginning "and which" must have the same grammatical value as the first "which" clause.

    i don't know what this mean, but Fow gave this example of a MISmatched "and which" clause:




    Should it not be "I don't know what this means"? When I spotted "mean" without "s" I thought it was a typo, but seeing other typos corrected I began to wonder.

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    Re: clause beginning "and which"

    Quote Originally Posted by JarekSteliga View Post
    i don't know what this mean, but Fow gave this example of a MISmatched "and which" clause:

    Should it not be "I don't know what this means"?
    Yes

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    Re: clause beginning "and which"

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    Yes
    Thank you

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    Re: clause beginning "and which"

    Thank you, forum members, for your insights.

    If I were to attempt to rephrase the mismatched sentence, using matching grammatical values, would the following be correct?

    'In contrast Peake's use of elevated language has a childlike quality which is appropriate given that the protagonist, Titus, is a boy, AND WHICH IS, at least in my view, ENDEARING"

    In addition, would the sentence be easier to read if the words 'In contrast' were followed by a comma?

    My I ask our moderator if it is usual practice to give a reply of 'thanks' to forum posts. I usually give thanks beforehand, because I personally find receiving emails of 'thanks', even from people that I know, irritating, but this may just be me

    Thank you!

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