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    Using "and" to join two negative verb phrases.

    Usually, native speakers teach me to join 2 negative verb phrases by using "neither..nor", "be not...nor" or "or":

    1) I have neither revised my exam nor turned in my homework.
    2) I have not revised my exam, nor have I turned in my homework.
    3) I have not revised my exam or turned in my homework.

    But is it correct to use "and" to link up 2 negative phrases?

    i.e. I have not revised my exam and turned in my homework.

    If you advise me against using it, can you provide me some reasons? Like, it is not grammatical at all to link 2 negative verb phrases with an "and".

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    Re: Using "and" to join two negative verb phrases.

    Quote Originally Posted by kachibi View Post
    Usually, native speakers teach me to join 2 negative verb phrases by using "neither..nor", "be not...nor" or "or":

    1) I have neither revised my exam nor turned in my homework.
    2) I have not revised my exam, nor have I turned in my homework.
    3) I have not revised my exam or turned in my homework.

    But is it correct to use "and" to link up 2 negative phrases?

    i.e. I have not revised my exam and turned in my homework.

    If you advise me against using it, can you provide me some reasons? Like, it is not grammatical at all to link 2 negative verb phrases with an "and".
    No it's not correct. It doesn't make sense.

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    Re: Using "and" to join two negative verb phrases.

    But I want some explanations.
    In what way is using "and" in this kind of double negative verb sentence not grammatical?

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    Re: Using "and" to join two negative verb phrases.

    Quote Originally Posted by kachibi View Post
    But I want some explanations.
    In what way is using "and" in this kind of double negative verb sentence not grammatical?
    I didn't say it wasn't grammatical, I said it didn't make sense.

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    Re: Using "and" to join two negative verb phrases.

    Quote Originally Posted by kachibi View Post
    I have not revised my exam and turned in my homework.
    [Not a teacher]

    If you said this, most people would understand what you mean, and I would guess most people wouldn't even notice a problem with it. I'm not saying it's correct, though. A different, perhaps not so related example I hear all the time is:

    1: So, you didn't end up going to the movies?
    2: No.

    Did 2 go? No, but they should have said "yes" to not going.

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    Re: Using "and" to join two negative verb phrases.

    Quote Originally Posted by BobSmith View Post
    If you said this, most people would understand what you mean, and I would guess most people wouldn't even notice a problem with it.
    That may be true in AmE, - I don't know - but it sounds very strange in BrE.

    A different, perhaps not so related example I hear all the time is:

    1: So, you didn't end up going to the movies?
    2: No.

    Did 2 go? No, but they should have said "yes" to not going.
    No they shouldn't. In some languages it is normal to confirm the truth of the statement, but in English we normally confirm the affirmation/negation of the situation spoken of:

    A: You don't like Lady Gaga, do you?
    B: No(, I don't (like Lady Gaga))
    ..... or .....Yes (, do(like Lady Gaga)).
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    Re: Using "and" to join two negative verb phrases.

    A: You don't like Lady Gaga, do you?

    ... is cheating a tad, because the response is now in answer to "do you", which is the affirmative, but I see your point. I'm sure I'm in the minority, expecting a literal/logical answer. Thinking about it more though, I often hear people reply with "correct", and I guess this is because they don't want to seem ambiguous?

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    Re: Using "and" to join two negative verb phrases.

    Quote Originally Posted by BobSmith View Post
    A: You don't like Lady Gaga, do you?

    ... is cheating a tad, because the response is now in answer to "do you", which is the affirmative, but I see your point.

    it makes no difference if I make a negative question tag:

    A: You like Lady Gaga, don't you?
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    No (, I don't (like Lady Gaga))..... or .....Yes (, do(like Lady Gaga)).
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    Re: Using "and" to join two negative verb phrases.

    Rather than discussing the question tag, I hope someone can offer some help on my sentence.

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    Re: Using "and" to join two negative verb phrases.

    Quote Originally Posted by kachibi View Post
    Rather than discussing the question tag, I hope someone can offer some help on my sentence.
    As I said before, your sentence doesn't make sense.

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