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    holds notable wins over ...

    Hi

    He holds notable wins over fighters like ....................



    Does it mean he won with them in an impressive style or that these fighters were so extraordinary?

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    Re: holds notable wins over ...

    Quote Originally Posted by GUEST2008 View Post
    Hi

    He holds notable wins over fighters like ....................



    Does it mean he won with beat them in an impressive style or that these fighters were so extraordinary?
    The people he beat were probably very good at their particular sport and were probably expected to win most of their fights. If you beat someone who has a very good reputation in their sport, then you could call it a "notable win". If you beat someone of a lower level than you, there is nothing special about that, nothing notable about it.

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    Re: holds notable wins over ...

    What's wrong with "won with" and "so"?

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    Re: holds notable wins over ...

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    What's wrong with "won with" and "so"?
    When two people compete for something, one of them "beats" the other. We don't say one of them "wins with" the other.

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    Re: holds notable wins over ...

    So you don't say "He won with him"? But I think "They won the match" is OK?

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    Re: holds notable wins over ...

    Quote Originally Posted by GUEST2008 View Post
    What's wrong with "won with" and "so"?

    The problem with "so extraordinary" was that it wasn't followed by anything that required "so". If it had said "... or that these fighters were so extraordinary that they must have been difficult to beat" then it would have been fine.

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    So you don't say "He won with him"? But I think "They won the match" is OK?
    Yes, "They won the match" is fine.

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    Re: holds notable wins over ...

    He won the match.
    He beat his opponent.
    He won [the match] against his opponent.

    They won the game.
    They beat the other team.

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