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    as + past participle...= relative clause

    " Kids need a range of authentic models--- as opposed to their clique."
    Please tell me :Can we put "are" or "is" after "as" and why?
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    Re: as + past participle...= relative clause

    Quote Originally Posted by notletrest View Post
    " Kids need a range of authentic models--- as opposed to their clique."
    Please tell me :Can we put "are" or "is" after "as" and why?
    Thanks!
    Nothing can be inserted there,because nobody can tell the number of the subject.

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    Re: as + past participle...= relative clause

    They need X instead of Y.
    They need X as opposed to Y.

    X = a range of authentic models (whaever that is!)
    Y = their clique

    Inserted a verb would not be grammatical.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: as + past participle...= relative clause

    Quote Originally Posted by renzheng04 View Post
    Nothing can be inserted there,because nobody can tell the number of the subject.
    I don't understand the point your are trying to make.

    The subject of the sentence is "kids." This is plural.

    But a verb can't be inserted there because it would create an ungrammatical sentence. It has nothing to do with whether it's "a child needs X as opposed to Y" or "Children (in general) need X as opposed to Y."
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: as + past participle...= relative clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    They need X instead of Y.
    They need X as opposed to Y.

    X = a range of authentic models (whaever that is!)
    Y = their clique

    Inserted a verb would not be grammatical.
    It seems to me that you took "as opposed to " for a compound preposition ' as "instead of". I am sorry that I cannot accept it. Because I met with such a sentence as " Most devices of the integrated circuit, as are manufactured, are ruggedly packed," in which "are" is inserted. Is it right?
    Thanks a lot!


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    Re: as + past participle...= relative clause

    Quote Originally Posted by notletrest View Post
    It seems to me that you took "as opposed to " for a compound preposition ' as "instead of". I am sorry that I cannot accept it.

    I'm sorry you can't accept it, but I expect most native speakers will read it the same way I did, and assume that that's exactly what it means.

    Quote Originally Posted by notletrest View Post
    Because I met with such a sentence as " Most devices of the integrated circuit, as [they] are manufactured, are ruggedly packed," in which "are" is inserted. Is it right?
    Thanks a lot!
    Quote Originally Posted by notletrest View Post
    I'm afraid this sentence makes little sense to me. I could possibly accept a deleted but implied "they" where I've shown it, but that doesn't make the sentence make any sense. Is is supposed to mean "in the manner in which they are manufactured"? What does that have to do with how they are packed?
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: as + past participle...= relative clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    I'm sorry you can't accept it, but I expect most native speakers will read it the same way I did, and assume that that's exactly what it means.
    . That's the way this speaker of BrE reads it.

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    Re: as + past participle...= relative clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    I'm sorry you can't accept it, but I expect most native speakers will read it the same way I did, and assume that that's exactly what it means.


    I'm afraid this sentence makes little sense to me. I could possibly accept a deleted but implied "they" where I've shown it, but that doesn't make the sentence make any sense. Is is supposed to mean "in the manner in which they are manufactured"? What does that have to do with how they are packed?
    I looked up a statement in Essentials of English Grammar by Otto Jespersen: " In vulgar speech as is used extensively as a relative: Though I say it as shouldn't ." (P.365) Thanks to both teachers!

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