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    #1

    have to

    Is there any semantic difference between these two?

    He had to keep standing on the train all the way to the destination.
    He was kept standing on the train all the way to the destination.
    Last edited by Taka; 26-Apr-2012 at 16:56.

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    #2

    Re: have to

    It depends. In the first, it could be that he was forced to stand because there were no seats available. In the second, it could have been that he was required by someone or by some requirement ( e.g. no seats) to stand.

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    #3

    Re: have to

    I would add that if there were simply no seats, it might sound more natural simply as "He had to stand" instead of "He had to keep standing."
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #4

    Re: have to

    If the situation was simply that there was no seats available and the only think he/she could do was to stand there, the first one 'He had to stand/keep standing' would be more natural?

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    #5

    Re: have to

    Yes, but "He had to stand" is more natural than "He had to keep standing."
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #6

    Re: have to

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    Yes, but "He had to stand" is more natural than "He had to keep standing."
    Good.

    Just out of curiosity, could you tell me why you think 'had to stand' sounds more natural to you, Barb?
    Last edited by Taka; 27-Apr-2012 at 02:58.

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    #7

    Re: have to

    Nope. It just does.
    You can do a corpus search, if you wanted. It's just what sound more natural to me.
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    #8

    Re: have to

    Then let me ask this way.

    Wouldn't you come up any situations where 'have to keep standing' is rather appropriate, compared to 'have to stand'?

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    #9

    Re: have to

    Quote Originally Posted by Taka View Post
    Then let me ask this way.

    Wouldn't you come up any situations where 'have to keep standing' is rather appropriate, compared to 'have to stand'?
    Barb's probably weary of this thread by now so I'll give you my answer: no.

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    Re: have to

    OH, so there is no situation where 'have to keep standing' is appropriate. Hmm...

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