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    the Times Newspaper

    I know 'the Khazar Sea' and 'the Hilton Hotel' are correct. But I doubt it whether 'the Times newspaper' is correct or 'the Times Newspaper'

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    Re: the Times Newspaper

    In BrE, we simply refer to it as 'The/the Times'.

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    Is this a rule in grammar?: 'For combined nouns both the parts should be capitalized for the first letters'
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    Re: the Times Newspaper

    The name is The Times- newspaper is not part of the name, so when you add it, there's no need for a capital.

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    Re: the Times Newspaper

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    Hello, Atabitaraf:

    I just had to give you my two cents when I read the title of your post. The name The Times just excites everyone who loves journalism. It used to be the newspaper of England. Alas! No more!

    You do NOT capitalize the word "newspaper" because it is NOT in the title. When people say, "Have you seen the/The

    Times this morning?" people in England know that you are referring to the famous newspaper. But let's say that you are

    on the telephone with someone who lives in another country:

    You: I read in the/The Times.

    Friend: What is the/The Times?

    You: Oh. it's a newspaper.

    Friend: Are you referring to the/The Times of London?

    You: Yes, the/TheTimes newspaper of London.

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    Here in the States, our most important newspaper is officially named The New York Times. So you "should" write: I read

    The New York Times. But I think that most people nowadays just write: I read the New York Times. (Of course, if you

    wanted to be 100% correct, you should say/write:" I read the The New York Times." But if you did that, people would

    think that you were crazy.)

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    One small point: I think that capitalization is not considered to be "grammar." Maybe it is better to call it part of English

    usage. In any case, you are correct: when you refer to a geographical unit, you capitalize all the words: The Titanic

    sank in the Atlantic Ocean, not in the Pacific Ocean. (Of course, many native speakers would not even mention the

    word "ocean," for their listeners would know that they were referring to the oceans. But be careful: The Atlantic and

    the Pacific oceans are very large. You do NOT capitalize "oceans" because -- of course -- there is NO geographical

    unit entitled "the Atlantic and the Pacific Oceans.")

    Have a nice day!

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    The snobs who ponificate on matters of style at OUP insist that the 'The' of 'The Times' is italicized when it refers to the newspaper published in London (which is never 'The London Times' - which is almost as bad as 'Prime Minister Cameron' [which makes a lot of sense but isn't Br English, although I hear it used more and more frequently])!

    But 'The Times' is the only newspaper so treated: 'The Sun', 'The Daily Telegraph', but 'The Times'. This sort of institutionalized inconsistency is hard to observe in real life, and I don't advise anyone to try to do so. Bu that's what Hart's Rules says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post

    But 'The Times' is the only newspaper so treated

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    But, Bob, The Times is (was?) not merely a lowly newspaper. It was the very embodiment of the British nation. Even

    our President Lincoln complimented it as being almost as mighty as our Mississippi River. You know, of course, that the

    other newspapers often waited for The Times to take the lead in sensitive matters (such as the abdication

    unpleasantness during the 1930's). Supposedly, a butler in an upper-class family would announce to his employer:

    "Sir, there are some newspaper reporters to see you and a gentleman from The Times." The front page full of

    small notices only made the paper incredibly dignified and official-looking. Ah! The good old days!

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    I heard recently that the death of George V was artificially hastened by his doctor so that it could be announced in The Times rather than (oh horror) the Evening Standard.

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    I heard recently that the death of George V was artificially hastened by his doctor so that it could be announced in The Times rather than (oh horror) the Evening Standard.

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    I heard that it was at the request of the mayor of Bognor Regis.


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