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    As small babies

    1.I have thought that "as" as a preposition always means "as the title" like "He met Obama as the representative of Korea", but it means "When (they are) babies" as a conjunction. So is this a special and exceptional usage of a conjuntion even though it is a preposition?
    2. Does "coo" by babies mean "softly speak" or what else?

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    ex)There is no one who has not witnessed the remarkable ability of children to communicate. As small babies, children babble, coo and cry and vocally or nonvocally send an extraordinary number of messages...

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    Re: As small babies

    It means "when children are small babies." "To coo" is to make sounds as an infant does. It's not exactly speaking, it's just making pleasant noises.

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    Re: As small babies

    For this kind of construction, we frequently use "As + indefinite article + singular noun" or "As + plural noun" to mean "When I was/he was/they were ..."

    As a child, I fell out of trees a lot.
    As a kitten, my cat was completely black but now she has white paws.
    As children, my cousins used to torment me for hours.
    As seedlings, tarragon plants are bright green but when they mature, they turn very pale.
    As a student, Picasso hated art classes.
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    Re: As small babies

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    For this kind of construction, we frequently use "As + indefinite article + singular noun" or "As + plural noun" to mean "When I was/he was/they were ..."

    As a child, I fell out of trees a lot.
    As a kitten, my cat was completely black but now she has white paws.
    As children, my cousins used to torment me for hours.
    As seedlings, tarragon plants are bright green but when they mature, they turn very pale.
    As a student, Picasso hated art classes.
    But, as emsr2d2 knows but keannu may not, 'As + indefinite article + singular noun' can be used in a construction that has nothing to do with the passing of time. 'As a teacher, I try to be alive to possibly confusing constructions'

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    Re: As small babies

    Thanks, but what's the difference between babble and coo? They seem to be translated in a similar way. I think "babbling" sounds like some words that babies may have a meaning for themselves, but not for adults. and "coo" is beyond my imagination.

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    Re: As small babies

    The words are practically onomatopoeic. Babbling babies are staccato, using consonants in an imitation of speech. Cooing is like the sound of a dove. It's all vowels.

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    Re: As small babies

    Thanks a lot! If it's a present form, is it dubious? I have never seen any present form of "as" to mean a period.
    ex) As a student, Picasso fights for his country's independence.
    = When he is a student(x) = With the qualification of being a student(O)
    So I think this rule applies only to the past, right?

    What about this? Does it mean qualification or period? Or does it depend on context?
    ex)As a student, Picasso fought for his country's independence.
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    Re: As small babies

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    Thanks a lot! If it's a present form, is it dubious? I have never seen any present form of "as" to mean a period.

    ex) As a student, Picasso fights for his country's independence = Because he is a student, Picasso fights for his country's independence. The implication here is that he is fighting for independence because he is a student, presumably because many other students are also supporting a fight for independence.So I think this rule applies only to the past, right? If you want it to mean "when" then yes, it really only works in the past as in your next example.
    What about this? Does it mean qualification or period? Or does it depend on context?
    ex) As a student, Picasso fought for his country's independence = When he was a student, Picasso fought for his country's independence.
    See above.

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    Re: As small babies

    Can't say I agree here.
    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    Thanks a lot! If it's a present form, is it dubious? I have never seen any present form of "as" to mean a period.
    ex) As a student, Picasso fights for his country's independence.
    = When he is a student(x) = With the qualification of being a student(O)
    So I think this rule applies only to the past, right?
    The first example may be using the historic present, as in '1066. Harold and his troops are at top of a hill near Rye. William's vastly superior troops launch attack after attack, but don't win any ground until some of Harold's men break ranks and give chase to some retreating French attackers. Suddenly, after trying all day, William has an advantage...'

    We need more context to know whether the 'As...fights' sentence means 'Since he is [at present] a student' or whether the sentence is using a historic present.

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    Re: As small babies


    ex)As a student, Picasso fights for his country's independence

    I treated this example as "qualification" like the following examples, but when "as" appears in the beginning of a sentence, it doesn't seem to have such a meaning. Okay, I got it!

    ex)She
    works as a courier. Treat me as a friend. I respect him as a doctor

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