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    #1

    by/until

    You need to finish this job by 8:00 pm.
    You need to stay here until 8:00 pm.

    Is 8:00 pm included?
    Last edited by Taka; 09-May-2012 at 17:29.

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    #2

    Re: by/until

    Included where?

    I would say that 8 PM is the deadline in both sentences. In the first, the work must be done by 8 PM at the latest. It could be done earlier.

    In the second sentence the person must stay until 8 PM. They can leave at that time or any time after.

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    #3

    Re: by/until

    'You need to finish this job by 8:00 pm.' I regard that as not including 8:00, that at 8:00 it needs to already be finished or prepared, as in "The presentation begins at 9am, so your slides need to be ready by then." (You can finish them in the minute of 8:59, but 9am it needs to be ready because the presentation starts right then)

    'You need to stay here until 8:00pm." I regard this as being as soon as the clock strikes 8, you are able to leave.


    (not a teacher, just a language lover)

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