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    Are "The bourgeois" and "bourgeoisie" same?

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    bourgeois(adj) bourgeoisie(noun)
    So I want to make sure it's correct.
    Are "The bourgeois" and "bourgeoisie" same?

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    Re: Are "The bourgeois" and "bourgeoisie" same?

    Yes. Nobody uses these words unless they are studying communism.

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    Re: Are "The bourgeois" and "bourgeoisie" same?

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    Yes. Nobody uses these words unless they are studying communism.
    ...or the bourgeoisie.

    Actually, I don't agree. Bourgeois (adj) is not uncommonly used by those who disapprove of what they consider to be the small-minded, acquisitive, conservative attitudes of people of the middle classes.

    Bourgeoisie (noun), used for the whole class, is a word often used by historians.

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    Re: Are "The bourgeois" and "bourgeoisie" same?

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    Yes. Nobody uses these words unless they are studying communism.
    No. I learned those words in the European history class.

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    Re: Are "The bourgeois" and "bourgeoisie" same?

    In French bourgeois is an adjective, and can therefore function as a noun (meaning 'a member of the bourgeoisie'). In English 'bourgeois' can be used of a practice or attitude - 'Oh that's so bourgeois'. (I'm not sure if this can be done in French - where originally 'bourgeois' just meant 'pertaining to a 'bourg'').

    In a European history class, it's probably safe to assume the distinction adj versus noun - given above by 5jj.

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    Re: Are "The bourgeois" and "bourgeoisie" same?

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    In French bourgeois is an adjective, and can therefore function as a noun (meaning 'a member of the bourgeoisie'). In English 'bourgeois' can be used of a practice or attitude - 'Oh that's so bourgeois'. (I'm not sure if this can be done in French - where originally 'bourgeois' just meant 'pertaining to a 'bourg'').

    In a European history class, it's probably safe to assume the distinction adj versus noun - given above by 5jj.
    I think that it's possible in English to borrow the (possibly non-existent) French term 'petit bourgeois' as a noun for the lower end of the spectrum, but only in the plural: " The petit bourgeois aped the aristocrats more than those just a step or a sou above them". 'Petit' should, by French rules , have an -s ending, but I suspect that we don't always add it.

    Warning: I am not a great reader of historical and/or sociologcal works, so I may be talking rubbish.

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    Re: Are "The bourgeois" and "bourgeoisie" same?

    My French is long past its sell-by date, but I think when I was studying Madame Bovary 40-odd years ago I read a French critic who used the term 'petit bourgeois' (not of Emma, but of one of the other characters).

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