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    Present perfect or past simple?

    I have recently read in a newspaper an article where one player said "My national team can do what my club have done". I cannot understand why he used present perfect instead of past simple.Why he did not said "what my club did"?He knows exact time in the past when did the thing he was talking about.

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    #2

    Re: Present perfect or past simple?

    It sounds to me that the accomplishments of his club were quite recent.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #3

    Re: Present perfect or past simple?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikola993 View Post
    I have recently read in a newspaper an article where one player said "My national team can do what my club have done". I cannot understand why he used present perfect instead of past simple.Why he did not said "what my club did"?He knows exact time in the past when did the thing he was talking about.
    An obvious mis-print, should have been "what my club has done" OR could have been "did" depending on context/timing of the past accomplishment.

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    Re: Present perfect or past simple?

    Quote Originally Posted by billmcd View Post
    An obvious mis-print, should have been "what my club has done" OR could have been "did" depending on context/timing of the past accomplishment.
    It's not a misprint. Collective nouns can be function with singular or plural forms of the verb in British English.

    Our club has/have done very well this season.

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    Re: Present perfect or past simple?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    It's not a misprint. Collective nouns can be function with singular or plural forms of the verb in British English.

    Our club has/have done very well this season.
    You would never hear/read "have" used in that context in AmE.

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    #6

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    I agree, but we also rarely use "club" in that context so I assumed from that that it was British and therefore the plural collective was fine.
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    #7

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    Especially with football and rugby, some people regularly use the word "club" to mean "team".

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    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Especially with football and rugby, some people regularly use the word "club" to mean "team".
    I hadn't realised that Americans didn't until I read Barb's post, #6.

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    #9

    Re: Present perfect or past simple?

    I think baseball is the only sport that does. But then, I don't follow Major League Soccer, so it's possible they do too. I know with our American football, basketball, and hockey, we don't.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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