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    Ordering food in resturants

    The following is quoted from a book.

    In most resturants, someone will soon come to your table to take your order. To say which dish you want, use ]I'd like... or I'll have...

    1. For my starter, I'd like the salad, please.
    2. For my main course, I'd like the pasta.
    3. For dessert, I'd like ice cream.
    4. I'll have the lamb, please.

    I have the following questions:

    1. Why did the author use the definite article 'the' before salad, pasta and lamb? Is it natural to leave out 'the' in the above sentence?
    2. Why didn't the author use 'the' before ice cream?

    Thanks.

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    Re: Ordering food in resturants

    Quote Originally Posted by Winwin2011 View Post
    The following is quoted from a book.

    In most resturants, someone will soon come to your table to take your order. To say which dish you want, use ]I'd like... or I'll have...

    1. For my starter, I'd like the salad, please.
    2. For my main course, I'd like the pasta.
    3. For dessert, I'd like ice cream.
    4. I'll have the lamb, please.

    I have the following questions:

    1. Why did the author use the definite article 'the' before salad, pasta and lamb? Is it natural to leave out 'the' in the above sentence?
    2. Why didn't the author use 'the' before ice cream?

    Thanks.
    1. The person is asking for the salad etcetera on the menu.

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    I'd like ice cream vs I'll have the fruit

    When we are ordering food in restaurants, do we need to use 'the' before ice cream? The context is as follows:

    1. For dessert, I 'd like ice cream.
    2. For dessert, I'll have the fruit.
    Last edited by Winwin2011; 21-Jun-2012 at 20:03.

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    Re: I'd like ice cream vs I'll have the fruit

    Quote Originally Posted by Winwin2011 View Post
    When we are ordering food in resturants, do we need to use 'the' before ice cream? The context is as follows:

    1. For dessert, I 'd like ice cream.
    2. For dessert, I'll have the fruit.
    1. For dessert, I 'd like ice cream. Do you have any?
    2. For dessert, I'll have the fruit on the menu.

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    Re: I'd like ice cream vs I'll have the fruit

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    1. For dessert, I 'd like ice cream. Do you have any?
    2. For dessert, I'll have the fruit on the menu.
    Thanks,bhaisahab.

    We use 'the' before fruit, why don't we use 'the' before ice cream?

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    Re: I'd like ice cream vs I'll have the fruit

    Quote Originally Posted by Winwin2011 View Post
    Thanks,bhaisahab.

    We use 'the' before fruit, why don't we use 'the' before ice cream?
    If ice cream is listed on the menu, you could say "I'll have the ice cream".

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    Re: I'd like ice cream vs I'll have the fruit

    Quote Originally Posted by Winwin2011 View Post
    Thanks,bhaisahab.

    We use 'the' before fruit, why don't we use 'the' before ice cream?
    You use "the" if the item has already been identified. If you had not been handed a menu, and just said to the waiter, "For dessert I'll have the fruit" the waiter could well say, "What fruit? We don't have fruit."
    The only reason you can say "the fruit" is because 'fruit' is mentioned on the menu, and therefore you have a right to expect that "the fruit" exists - because it's been referred to.

    If fruit wasn't on the menu, or if you didn't have a menu, you'd say, "For dessert, I'd like some fruit." or "Do you have any fruit?"
    The same applies to ice cream.

    PS: Note that you can say "some fruit/ice cream" even if it is on the menu. For example, you can say, "I'll have an apple pie" even if apple pie has been mentioned. But you can't use "the" if it hasn't been.

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    Re: Ordering food in resturants

    He could have said 'the ice cream', but if he had that would imply that the ice cream was listed as a special case on the menu.

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    Re: Ordering food in resturants

    Hello, winwin.
    I think it might be only a typo, but just in case...
    It's 'restaurant'.

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    Re: Ordering food in resturants

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    He could have said 'the ice cream', but if he had that would imply that the ice cream was listed as a special case on the menu.

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    Would you not expect ice cream to be listed in its own right on a dessert menu, in exactly the same way that a salad would be listed under the starters?
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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