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    Is 'pm' redundant?

    A friend of mine told me that it is not correct to say the following.

    "Let's go to the shopping mall at 7 pm this evening."

    According to him, "pm' is redundant. If what he said is correct, then I should write "Let's go to the shopping mall at 7 (or should it be seven ?) this evening."

    Do native speakers observe this distinction?

    Thanks.

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    Re: Is 'pm' redundant?

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    I agree with your friend that "pm" adds no new information, which is why it's redundant. You therefore say:

    Let's go to the shopping mall at 7 pm.


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    Let's go to the shopping mall at 7 in the evening.


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    A.M. means ante meridiem, which is Latin for before noon; therefore, saying The school will open at 10:30 a.m. this morning is redundant since it means The school will open at 10:30 before noon this morning. Is there any other 10:30 before noon than the one that occurs in the morning? Is there a 10:30 before noon in the evening or afternoon? You could say The school will open at 10:30 a.m. or The school will open at 10:30 this morning or The school will open at 10:30 a.m. today. With so many ways to say it, saying it correctly shouldn’t be a problem any longer.

    http://languageandgrammar.com/2008/02/06/am-in-the-morning-pm-in-the-afternoon/

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    Re: Is 'pm' redundant?

    Thanks, Chicken Sandwich.

    Let's go to the shopping mall at 7 in the evening. Is it correct if 7 is replaced by seven in the sentence?

    Hence, Let's go to the shopping mall at seven in the evening

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    Re: Is 'pm' redundant?

    If you're speaking aloud, there is of course no difference between "7" and "seven". When writing numerals, there seem to be a few different accepted usages. The two I seem to stumble across the most often are that any number below 10 should be written in full (I have also seen people say that this should apply to any number below 21), and that a number at the beginning of a sentence should always be written in full, regardless of the number. I should point out that you will find plenty of examples of that "rule" not being followed.

    I have seven handbags.
    I have 46 handbags.
    Seven handbags is too many.
    Forty-six handbags is too many.

    With your original example, if you are talking about a plan for today, then "Let's go to the mall at seven this evening" is correct. If you are talking about another day in the future then "Let's go to the mall at seven in the evening" would be appropriate.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: Is 'pm' redundant?

    Is 'pm' redundant?
    In many cases am and pm,or in the morning and in the evening are redundant when you know there will be no misunderstanding.

    If a friend said to you 'Let's go to the mall at seven', wouldn't you assume she meant 7pm (unless you are in the habit of going to the mall before the stores open in the morning)?

    If you're writing her a note, who cares if you write 7 or seven?

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    Last edited by Rover_KE; 07-Jul-2012 at 18:23.

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    Re: Is 'pm' redundant?

    As often, a knowledge of Latin helps. PM means post meridiem [=after midday]. Any time in the evening can't fail to be after midday.


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    Re: Is 'pm' redundant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tan Elaine View Post
    A friend of mine told me that it is not correct to say the following.

    "Let's go to the shopping mall at 7 pm this evening."
    Being redundant doesn't make it incorrect.
    That is a correct sentence.

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