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    They usually began like that, those letters

    I can't understand the underlined. Is it a mistake or a common one? "That" and "those letters" don't match, so maybe "that" should be removed.

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    ex)..."Dear John, I have fallen in love with someone else." They usually began like that, those letters that told of changes of heart. The men called them "Dear Johns."...
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    Re: They usually began like that, those letters

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    I can't understand the underlined. Is it a mistake or a common one? "That" and "those letters" don't match, so maybe "that" should be removed.

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    ex)..."Dear John, I have fallen in love with someone else." They usually began like that, those letters that told of changes of hear. The men called them "Dear Johns."...
    Hi,

    It means that those letters always began in that way. If you wanted a "matching", you could reword it as "They usually began with those words, those letters", although this sounds a bit awkard.

    charliedeut

    PS: I assume the original text said "...changes of heart."
    Please be aware that I'm neither a native English speaker nor a teacher.

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    Re: They usually began like that, those letters

    I mean this needs some conjuction to connect the two.
    So my opinion is it should be either "They usually began like that, and those letters that told of changes of hear"
    or "As they usually began like that, those letters that told of changes of hear"
    What do you think?

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    Re: They usually began like that, those letters

    Hi,

    IMO, they need no conjunction. The two clauses are separated by a comma because the "natural" order of the sentence has been altered: "Those letters that told of changes of heart usually began like that."

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    Re: They usually began like that, those letters

    I'm terribly sorry. I was chased by so much material to analyze, and I forgot "that" and "those letter..." are in apposition relation(same meanings). Yes, you're absolutely right as the two are equal.

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    Re: They usually began like that, those letters

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    I'm terribly sorry. I was chased by so much material to analyze, and I forgot "that" and "those letter..." are in apposition relation(same meanings). Yes, you're absolutely right as the two are equal.
    Hello.
    Well, I don't think I can agree with you when you say "that" and "those letter..." are in apposition relation(same meanings).
    "that" in "those letters that told..." is a relative pronoun.

    P.S. What is "change of hear"? I believe it should be "change of heart". Am I wrong?

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    Re: They usually began like that, those letters

    They = those letters.

    Here's a simpler sentence using the same form: He was a good man, my Uncle Charlie.
    Here "he" is defined later, just as "They" were in your original.

    I would not consider this style a good choice for your more formal writing situations.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: They usually began like that, those letters

    Yes, it should be change of heart.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: They usually began like that, those letters

    My bad!!! I will be more careful!!!

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