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    AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.

    It is grossly inconsistent for evangelicals to fellowship with the Roman Catholic Church, with its sacramental gospel and wafer-christ and Queen of Heaven and Holy Father, AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.
    Is the above sentence grammatical? What does the red part mean?

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    Re: AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    It is grossly inconsistent for evangelicals to fellowship with the Roman Catholic Church, with its sacramental gospel and wafer-christ and Queen of Heaven and Holy Father, AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.
    Is the above sentence grammatical? What does the red part mean?
    Yes, it's grammatical.
    "It's inconsistent for A to fellowship with B, but(and) not with C."
    What is it that you don't understand?

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    Re: AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.

    1. It is grossly inconsistent for evangelicals to fellowship with the Roman Catholic Church, with its sacramental gospel and wafer-christ and Queen of Heaven and Holy Father, AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.
    2. It is grossly inconsistent for evangelicals to fellowship with the Roman Catholic Church, with its sacramental gospel and wafer-christ and Queen of Heaven and Holy Father, and (it is) not (inconsistant for evangelicals) to fellowship with Mormons.
    Do the above two sentences have the same meaning?

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    Re: AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    1. It is grossly inconsistent for evangelicals to fellowship with the Roman Catholic Church, with its sacramental gospel and wafer-christ and Queen of Heaven and Holy Father, AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.
    2. It is grossly inconsistent for evangelicals to fellowship with the Roman Catholic Church, with its sacramental gospel and wafer-christ and Queen of Heaven and Holy Father, and (it is) not (inconsistant for evangelicals) to fellowship with Mormons.
    Do the above two sentences have the same meaning? NO
    No. The 'inconsistency' has to relate to two things.
    The statement is saying that "It's inconsistent for A to do B, but for A not to do C."
    So, what are the two things:
    B. fellowshipping with Roman Catholics.
    C. fellowshipping with Mormons.
    and A = Evangelicals.

    Let's say you have two friends, Tom and Mary.
    "It's inconsistent for you to ask Tom to your party, but not to ask Mary."
    The inconsistency is asking Tom but not Mary. The "consistency" referred to here is between Tom and Mary - it refers to treating them the same.
    You can't express this as, "It's inconsistent for you to ask Tom, but not inconsistent for you to ask Mary."

    There is an implication that if you ask Tom, you should ask Mary. (Otherwise, you're being inconsistent.)
    In the original, there's an implication that if evangelicals want to fellowship with Catholics, they should also fellowship with Mormons. Otherwise, they are not being consistent (They are being grossly inconsistent).

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    Re: AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.

    I understand now. Thank you very much for your replies.
    Evangelicals and Mormons Together | Ecumenism | Way of Life Literature

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    Re: AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.

    I have to say that I've never seen "fellowship" used that way.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    I have to say that I've never seen "fellowship" used that way.
    No, it's not common in the circles in which I move either.

    v.i.
    to join in fellowship, esp. religious fellowship.
    fellowship: meaning and definitions — Infoplease.com

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    Re: AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.

    In my humble opinion "fellowship" is not a verb.

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    Re: AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    In my humble opinion "fellowship" is not a verb.
    Some of these organisations would disfellowship a person for opinions like that.

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    Re: AND NOT to fellowship with Mormons.

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    In my humble opinion "fellowship" is not a verb.
    I haven't found a dictionary that disagrees with you.

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