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    #1

    ...have not to do, have...?

    1. " Anna hasn't to go to school on Sunday, has she?" Zhang Zheng-bang p.791
    Is it right?
    2.Scientists have yet to create (= have not yet created) the mechanical version of science fiction, have they?
    Is 2. right, too? If not , what's right?
    3.Please tell me the difference between " hasn't to go " and "have not yet to create" in structure.

    Thank you indeed!

    Last edited by notletrest; 23-Jul-2012 at 10:22. Reason: correction

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    #2

    Re: ...have not to do, have...?

    Quote Originally Posted by notletrest View Post
    1. " Anna hasn't to go to school on Sunday, has she?" Zhang Zheng-bang p.791
    Is it right?
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    cientists have yet to create (= have not yet created) the mechanical version of science fiction, have they?
    Is 2. right, too? If not , what's right?
    3.Please tell me the difference between " hasn't to go " and "have not yet to create" in structure.

    Thank you indeed!

    #2 is correct. #1 is not natural in modern English, it would be natural as: "Anna doesn't have to go to school on Sunday, does she?"

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    Re: ...have not to do, have...?

    Quote Originally Posted by notletrest View Post
    3.Please tell me the difference between " hasn't to go " and "have not yet to create" in structure.
    Neither is right. bhai has told you we don't say the first.
    You haven't given an example of the second. Did you mean "have yet to create"?

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    Re: ...have not to do, have...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Neither is right. bhai has told you we don't say the first.
    You haven't given an example of the second. Did you mean "have yet to create"?
    For 1. in China , Zhang Zheng-bang is a famous grammarian. So I agree with him. But your idea I more respect.
    For 2. bhai is in favour. But I don't think so. Because, according to bhai' s explanation to the sentence "
    Scientists have yet to create (= have not yet created) the mechanical version of science fiction", thses two "have not to do's" are not in the same meaning. The first " have to " in the first sentence, means "needn't". The seconde " have yet to ,ie. have not to, we can say, I don't know iis meaning. Please tell me!
    We should say like this:
    Scientists have yet to create the mechanical version of science fiction, do they? Is it right?
    For3, I give you the example:
    Scientists have yet to create the mechanical version of science fiction.
    Thanks much!
    Last edited by notletrest; 24-Jul-2012 at 10:47. Reason: correction, correction

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    Re: ...have not to do, have...?

    Quote Originally Posted by notletrest View Post
    For 1. in China , Zhang Zheng-bang is a famous grammarian
    I have had a quick look at some of his lectures. He seems to be fairly sound, but he's not infallible.
    . For 2. [...]Scientists have yet to create the mechanical version of science fiction, do they? Is it right?
    No. The tag should be 'haven't they?'

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    Re: ...have not to do, have...?

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    No. The tag should be 'haven't they?'
    Isn't "don't they" possible too?

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    Re: ...have not to do, have...?

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    Isn't "don't they" possible too?
    Not for me. It may be for some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notletrest View Post
    For 1. in China , Zhang Zheng-bang is a famous grammarian. So I agree with him. But your idea I more respect.
    It depends on your definition of what is "right".
    "Anna hasn't to go to school on Sunday, has she?" could certainly be adjudged syntactically correct - depending on your criteria for syntactic correctness.
    But no native speaker would ever say it. That makes it "not right" in terms of usage.

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    #9

    Re: ...have not to do, have...?

    . For 2. [...]Scientists have yet to create the mechanical version of science fiction, do they? Is it right?


    No. The tag should be 'haven't they?'
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    • According to 5jj,

    . For 2. [...]Scientists have yet to create the mechanical version of science fiction, 'haven't they?'





    • Please read: "The most severe weather is yet /still to come. The implcation here is negative, has not yet come." Randolph Quirk p.143
      So the tag should be " have they ?“, just as bhai and 5jj said in the above. I wonder why 5jj changed his view here.
      Writing here reminds me of a Chinese saying : A drunken man's intention does not lie in wine. Maybe you don't know the meaning of it, because I put it into English word for word. My real meaning I'll tell after solving the problem.
      Thanks!



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    Re: ...have not to do, have...?

    Quote Originally Posted by notletrest View Post

    • Please read: "The most severe weather is yet /still to come. The implcation here is negative, has not yet come." Randolph Quirk p.143
      So the tag should be " have they ?,


    • No. The implication may be negative but the construction is affirmative. Unlike the such words as 'rarely' and 'seldom', 'yet' is not a negative word. The tag in the original should 'haven't they', as I said.
      I wonder why 5jj changed his view here.
      I didn't.


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