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    #1

    ...began!" vs ...began!"?

    1. Wasn't it Malcolm, who declared, "Why, that's the most hypocritical government since the world began!"
    2. Wasn't it Malcolm, who declared, "Why, that's the most hypocritical government since the world began!"?

    Do native speakers use the first or second sentence in regard to punctuation?

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    #2

    Re: ...began!" vs ...began!"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tan Elaine View Post
    1. 2. Wasn't it Malcolm who declared, "Why, that's the most hypocritical government since the world began!"?
    Hi Tan,

    I'd go for #2 without the comma after Malcolm.

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    Re: ...began!" vs ...began!"?

    Quote Originally Posted by charliedeut View Post
    Hi Tan,

    I'd go for #2 without the comma after Malcolm.

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    1. 2. Wasn't it Malcolm who declared, "Why, that's the most hypocritical government since the world began!"

    Originally Posted by Tan Elaine 1.
    2. Wasn't it Malcolm, who declared, "Why, that's the most hypocritical government since the world began!"?

    Thanks, Charlie.

    1. Could you explain why no question mark is needed although it is a question?

    2. I notice that you have removed the comma after 'Malcolm', which was in the sentence I posted. What is the reason for removing it?

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    Re: ...began!" vs ...began!"?

    Hi Tan,

    I removed it because it is not necessary. And as was the case in your #2, the question mark is needed because, as you say, it is a question. Note that I did not remove the question mark.

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    Re: ...began!" vs ...began!"?

    Thanks, Charlie.

    2. Wasn't it Malcolm, who declared, "Why, that's the most hypocritical government since the world began!"?

    But I was taught that after a name, a comma is needed as the clause that follows it immediately is non-defining.

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    Re: ...began!" vs ...began!"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tan Elaine View Post
    Thanks, Charlie.

    2. Wasn't it Malcolm, who declared, "Why, that's the most hypocritical government since the world began!"?

    But I was taught that after a name, a comma is needed as the clause that follows it immediately is non-defining.
    Hi Tan,

    Wasn't it Malcolm "Why, that's the most hypocritical government since the world began!"? I have removed the part which, according to you, was non-defining. Does it make any sense?

    Also, I believe this is called a "preparatory it" (or something similar), an introduction to the main clause: Malcolm declared "Why, that's the most hypocritical government since the world began!". So the person making the question just inverts it was to wasn't it and the rest remains the same.

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