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    when I can consider 'both' and 'neither' quantifiers and when they can be pronouns

    Hi teachers,
    Could you tell me when I can consider 'both' and 'neither' quantifiers and when they can be pronouns?
    In the following examples they are quantifiers, arent' they? if that is so why is that? Why are they quantifiers and not pronouns? Could you give an example where 'both' and 'neither' are pronouns?
    Both of them have fast cars.
    Neither of them can ski very well.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: when I can consider 'both' and 'neither' quantifiers and when they can be pronoun

    Quantifiers can be pronouns or determiners or both. They are pronouns in your sentences.

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    Re: when I can consider 'both' and 'neither' quantifiers and when they can be pronoun

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    Quantifiers can be pronouns or determiners or both. They are pronouns in your sentences.
    Hi,
    Thank you very much for your reply. If they are pronouns, what do they substitude?

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    Re: when I can consider 'both' and 'neither' quantifiers and when they can be pronoun

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    If they are pronouns, what do they substitude?
    They don't 'substitute' anything. 'Both of them' is another way of referring to two people, as are 'both people', 'they both' or even 'both of the people'.

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    Re: when I can consider 'both' and 'neither' quantifiers and when they can be pronoun

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    They don't 'substitute' anything. 'Both of them' is another way of referring to two people, as are 'both people', 'they both' or even 'both of the people'.
    Hi,
    Sorry for the typo. If the rule says that every pronoun must have a clear antecedent, why here it doesn't; is it just because in those sentences both of them are indefinite pronouns like somebody, nobody something, etc.?

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    Re: when I can consider 'both' and 'neither' quantifiers and when they can be pronoun

    Quote Originally Posted by learning54 View Post
    If the rule says that every pronoun must have a clear antecedent ...
    If the rule says that, the rule is wrong.
    Last edited by 5jj; 27-Jul-2012 at 19:14.

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    Re: when I can consider 'both' and 'neither' quantifiers and when they can be pronoun

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    If the rule says that, the rule is wrong.
    Hi,
    It is clearly wrong because here it doesn't apply at all. To me it applies to subject and object pronouns, but not to indefinite pronouns. Am I right?

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    Re: when I can consider 'both' and 'neither' quantifiers and when they can be pronoun

    Quote Originally Posted by learning54 View Post
    Hi,
    It is clearly wrong because here it doesn't apply at all. To me it applies to subject and object pronouns, but not to indefinite pronouns. Am I right?
    They drive on the left in India.

    I don't like the word 'antecedent' anyway. As she came into the garden, my mother noticed the elephant sniffing the roses.

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