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    What's different between 2 sentences ?

    1. The workmen had spent all morning digging the trench, and by lunchtime they had finished it.
    2. The workmen spent all morning digging the trench, and by lunchtime they finished it.

    and please check my grammar in 2 sentences, and feel free to give suggestions, which make the sentence much more smooth.

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    #2

    Re: What's different between 2 sentences ?

    Quote Originally Posted by duy065 View Post
    1. The workmen had spent all morning digging the trench, and by lunchtime they had finished it.
    2. The workmen spent all morning digging the trench, and by lunchtime they finished it.

    and please check my grammar in 2 sentences, and feel free to give suggestions, which make the sentence much more smooth.
    #2 is much more natural, there is no need for the past perfect.

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    #3

    Re: What's different between 2 sentences ?

    Some coursebooks, and even some grammars designed for students, give the impression that we need to use the past perfect if one past action precedes another. In fact, if the sequence of the actions is clear, we rarely need to use the past perfect.

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    Re: What's different between 2 sentences ?

    [QUOTE=duy065;909519]1. The workmen had spent all morning digging the trench, and by lunchtime they had finished it.
    Here, you cannot use Past Perfect twice because Past Perfect is used to show that one of the actions occured previously. Second part of the sentence should have been in Past Simple. (The workmen had spent all morning digging the trench, and by the lunchtime they finished doing it.)
    2. The workmen spent all morning digging the trench, and by lunchtime they finished it. This sentence is correct and smooth as you say
    Last edited by winnie22; 04-Aug-2012 at 19:00.

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    Re: What's different between 2 sentences ?

    [QUOTE=winnie22;909569]
    Quote Originally Posted by duy065 View Post
    1. The workmen had spent all morning digging the trench, and by lunchtime they had finished it.
    Here, you cannot use Past Perfect twice because Past Perfect is used to show that one of the actions occured previously. The S second part of the sentence should have been in Past Simple. (The workmen had spent all morning digging the trench, and by the lunchtime they finished doing it.)
    You can use the past perfect in both clauses. It just happens not to be necessary.

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    Re: What's different between 2 sentences ?

    Are you dedicated to correct me?

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    #7

    Re: What's different between 2 sentences ?

    Quote Originally Posted by winnie22 View Post
    Are you dedicated to correcting me?
    Only when it's necessary. All of us who post in this forum must expect to have our slips picked up. This ensures that, by the end of the thread, learners are reasonably confident that they have been given the correct answer.

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    #8

    Re: What's different between 2 sentences ?

    Quote Originally Posted by winnie22 View Post
    Are you dedicated to correct me?
    This is a forum for learners of English, all of us who answer questions have a responsibility to those learners to teach them good English. It is the responsibility of moderators to point out and correct errors when we find them.

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    #9

    Re: What's different between 2 sentences ?

    Ok, but you almost always correct me degradingly.

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    Re: What's different between 2 sentences ?

    Quote Originally Posted by winnie22 View Post
    Ok, but you almost always correct me degradingly.
    I'm sorry, but I don't accept that. None of us is in the business of "degrading" people.

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