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    except/except for/ with the excpetion of

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    Plseas take a look at the following 3 sentences.

    The bar is empty except the bartender.
    The bar is empty except for the bartender.
    The bar is empty with the exception of the bartender

    Could you please to tell me 1. if all of those sentence are correct in grammar? 2. if the phases or words"except","except for""with the exception of " can be used exchangely? 3. if they can't be used exchangely, under what situation each one of them can be used?
    Thank you. I am hoping not to bother you so much

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    Re: except/except for/ with the excpetion of

    Quote Originally Posted by notatall123 View Post
    Teachers
    Plseas take a look at the following 3 sentences.

    The bar is empty except the bartender.
    The bar is empty except for the bartender.
    The bar is empty with the exception of the bartender

    Could you please to tell me 1. if all of those sentence are correct in grammar? 2. if the phases or words"except","except for""with the exception of " can be used exchangely? 3. if they can't be used exchangely, under what situation each one of them can be used?
    Thank you. I am hoping not to bother you so much
    The second one is by far the most natural. "exchangely" is not a word.

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    Re: except/except for/ with the excpetion of

    NOT A TEACHER


    Hello, Notatall:

    I have exciting news for you.

    In a December 24, 2010, thread a very nice teacher named Lauralie2 explained the difference in a way that even an

    ordinary person like me could understand.

    1. Study her two examples:

    a. All countries signed on the agreement except the United States.

    i. The United States = a country. "So you can omit 'for.' "

    b. We all had a wonderful time except for the bad weather.

    i. The "bad weather" does NOT = "we." So use "for."

    *****

    2. The bar is empty _____ the bartender.

    i. The 'bartender" does NOT = the "bar." So if we use Ms. Lauralie's "rule," you definitely need "except for."

    *****

    The name of the thread is "Re: except and except for." I tried to locate it in the search box, but only blank space came up. Maybe it's my computer's fault. If you have time, try to type the thread's name in the "search box."


    Sincerely yours,


    James

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    Re: except/except for/ with the excpetion of

    James, Thank you very much for your reply and teaching from Lauralie2.
    The answer is very clear to me.
    As for the search thing, I could not make it on my PC, either. [
    Thank you again
    QUOTE=TheParser;915457]NOT A TEACHER


    Hello, Notatall:

    I have exciting news for you.

    In a December 24, 2010, thread a very nice teacher named Lauralie2 explained the difference in a way that even an

    ordinary person like me could understand.

    1. Study her two examples:

    a. All countries signed on the agreement except the United States.

    i. The United States = a country. "So you can omit 'for.' "

    b. We all had a wonderful time except for the bad weather.

    i. The "bad weather" does NOT = "we." So use "for."

    *****

    2. The bar is empty _____ the bartender.

    i. The 'bartender" does NOT = the "bar." So if we use Ms. Lauralie's "rule," you definitely need "except for."

    *****

    The name of the thread is "Re: except and except for." I tried to locate it in the search box, but only blank space came up. Maybe it's my computer's fault. If you have time, try to type the thread's name in the "search box."


    Sincerely yours,


    James[/QUOTE]

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    Re: except/except for/ with the excpetion of

    James, Thank you very much for your reply and teaching from Lauralie2.
    The answer is very clear to me.
    As for the search thing, I could not make it on my PC, either. [
    Thank you again

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