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    #1

    Usage of `so that`versus `so that` and the next verb

    Hello,

    Which one of these sentence is better written:

    1- We are six people. So, we have to drive two cars so that we all fit in.
    2- We are six people. So, we have to drive two cars so as we can all fit in.
    3- We are six people. So, we have to drive two cars so that (so as) all sit comfortably.
    4- We are six people. So, we have to drive two cars so that (so as) everyone be comfortable.
    5- We are six people. So, we have to drive two cars so that (so as) everyone is comfortable.

    Is the usage of `so that` the same as that of `so as`? and the verb that comes next should be in definitive form or normally conjugated?

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    Re: Usage of `so that`versus `so that` and the next verb

    Why don't you just say

    'There are six of us, so we'll have to go in two cars'?

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    Re: Usage of `so that`versus `so that` and the next verb

    Hello,

    Sorry Rover, but my question has not been answered yet.

    Thanks.

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    #4

    Re: Usage of `so that`versus `so that` and the next verb

    Quote Originally Posted by Fabulous_Learner View Post
    Hello,

    Sorry Rover, but my question has not been answered yet.

    Thanks.
    None of your sentences is natural English.

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    #5

    Re: Usage of `so that`versus `so that` and the next verb

    May I suggest you drive/rent a van for all six of you to sit in comfortably?
    Please be aware that I'm neither a native English speaker nor a teacher.

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    Re: Usage of `so that`versus `so that` and the next verb

    But my question was not how to say the idea! It was how to use "so that" or "so as" in a written sentence and what form the next verb would take.

    Once we know the correct usage of these terms with the verb, we can construct any idea we want!

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    Re: Usage of `so that`versus `so that` and the next verb

    Hello,

    The replies to the original post avoid including "so that" and "so as" in any written sentence. And the sentences in the original post are unnatural English. According to these replies, can we say that the usage of "so that" and "so as" is not a natural usage of English? Is there any possibility of sound and natural usage for "so that" and "so as" in any written sentence?

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    Re: Usage of `so that`versus `so that` and the next verb

    Quote Originally Posted by Fabulous_Learner View Post



    Is the usage of `so that` the same as that of `so as`? and the verb that comes next should be in definitive form or normally conjugated?
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****


    Hello,

    1. First, congratulations! Most native speakers would probably write: XXXX, so XXXX.

    According to one very strict American writer, the word "so" (meaning "therefore") should not be used that way. It should be used as you did: XXX. So XXX. Or: XXX; so, XXX.

    I think, however, very few people follow that rule nowadays.

    2. I am 99.99% sure that "so that" and "so as" are used differently. Here are some examples that I have made up. They are not very good, but I hope that you get the idea:

    a. Mr. X is a very humble and courteous teacher, so that his students love him. (result) [important comma]
    b. Mr. X tries to be a very humble and courteous teacher so that his students will love him. (purpose) [no comma]
    c. Mr. X tries to be a very humble and courteous teacher so as / in order to win the love of his students. (purpose)

    i. As you can see, "so as" introduces the infinitive "to win." As you can also see, omitting "so as" would not harm the

    grammatical structure.

    3. I think, therefore, that you might consider:

    We have to drive two cars so that everyone can sit comfortably. (purpose)

    We have to drive two cars so as to provide comfortable seating for everyone.


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    Re: Usage of `so that`versus `so that` and the next verb

    Hi James,

    I am so glad for your thorough reply!

    Please read these sentences:

    James comment is great, so that I shake his hand warmly.
    James comment was great so that everyone has to shake his hand warmly.
    I tried to write a clear question so as to get a thorough comment from James.

    Did I write these sentences correctly?

    Thanks

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    Re: Usage of `so that`versus `so that` and the next verb

    Quote Originally Posted by Fabulous_Learner View Post





    James comment is great, so that I shake his hand warmly.
    James comment was great so that everyone has to shake his hand warmly.
    I tried to write a clear question so as to get a thorough comment from James.

    Did I write these sentences correctly?

    Thanks
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Hello,

    1. Thank you very much for your kind note. I am a very shy and timid person, so I shall change the name in your example to "Thomas." OK?

    2. In my opinion as a non-teacher, I believe that the first two sentences need a bit of revision.

    a. Thomas's [or Thomas'] comments are always great. So I always take every opportunity to shake hands with him.

    i. I think that this is an example of "therefore," not result / purpose.

    b. Thomas's comment was great, so that everyone who heard it warmly shook his hand.

    i. I think this is an example of result. Thus, the comma. [I also think that in "modern" English, most native speakers would omit the "that."]

    3. I think that your last sentence is very nice, for you realized that a clause of purpose does not have a comma (or pause in speaking). I should just humbly suggest a few changes:

    a. I always try to write clear questions so as to get thorough answers from Thomas.

    *****

    I am not saying that my sentences are correct. They are just suggestions. If they are wrong, a teacher will

    let you know.


    James

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