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    More comma trouble.

    Please take a look at this sentence. If the commas are in the srong places please tell me which, and why. I really want to get to grips with this because it's snapping me. I think that its fine personally, but my mind is playing tricks.

    "That speculation turned out to be more than speculative when he was released, and despite Kansas City reportedly trying very hard to hammer out a new deal, Dorsey ultimately ended up in San Francisco. "

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    Re: More comma trouble.

    I think your punctuation is fine. Comma is not always a black and white issue. Often times it is a matter of preference. You know what I mean?

    Please note I am not a native and nor am I a professional advisor.

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    Re: More comma trouble.

    Quote Originally Posted by 30098392 View Post
    Please take a look at this sentence. If the commas are in the wrong places please tell me which, and why. I really want to get to grips with this because it's snapping annoying/irritating/bugging me. Personally, I think that it's fine personally, but my mind is playing tricks.

    "That speculation turned out to be more than speculative when he was released and​, despite Kansas City reportedly trying very hard to hammer out a new deal, Dorsey ultimately ended up in San Francisco. "
    Remove the comma after "released" and move it to after "and" as I have done above.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: More comma trouble.

    That speculation turned out to be more than speculative when he was released, and, despite Kansas City reportedly trying very hard to hammer out a new deal, Dorsey ultimately ended up in San Francisco.

    Is the first comma before "and" optional or ill-placed?

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    Re: More comma trouble.

    As I said in my first response, it should be removed.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: More comma trouble.

    [QUOTE=Shoreditch;968586]1. That speculation turned out to be more than speculative when he was released, and Dorsey ultimately ended up in San Francisco.

    That comma is optional.

    2. That speculation turned out to be more than speculative when he was released and, despite Kansas City reportedly trying very hard to hammer out a new deal, Dorsey ultimately ended up in San Francisco.

    Those two are essential.

    As ems said, the comma before 'and' in #2 must be removed. Although you can use it in #1, it's just doesn't work in #2. With the essential comma following 'and', one before it strands the 'and' unnaturally.

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    Re: More comma trouble.

    Thanks for the advice. Ems, thanks for fixing my post too.

    It seems I have a habit of putting commas after a co-ordinating conjunction. Its a common error apparently, but I know it, so I'm trying to sort it out in my head. I'll crack that issue, as I believe it to be a typo.

    I've gone with this.

    "That speculation turned out to be more than speculative when he was released, and despite Kansas City reportedly trying very hard to hammer out a new deal, Dorsey ultimately ended up in San Francisco. "

    That's an interpolation right? The sentence still makes sense without it. Without the interpolation there should be a semi colon. Am I along the right lines here?

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    Re: More comma trouble.

    How about the comma placement in this sentence?

    "After opening the 2012 season having lost none of their starters, the 49ers carried on the stellar play that made them best overall defence in 2011. "

    I was thinking that there could be a semi colon here.

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    Re: More comma trouble.

    No. A semi-colon separates two independent clauses. The frist part of the sentence cannot stand alone so it cannot be separated from the rest with a semi-colon.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: More comma trouble.

    I got it. Independant clause.

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