Results 1 to 6 of 6
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Ukraine
      • Current Location:
      • Ukraine

    • Join Date: May 2013
    • Posts: 78
    #1

    successful breeding can be achieved

    Given is used when indicating a possible situation in which someone has the opportunity or ability to do something. For example, given the chance means `if I had the chance'.
    Given patience, successful breeding of this species can be achieved.
    (Collins Cobuild dictionary)

    It seems that there is not the subject in the sentence. Who is "given patience"? Who can achieve successful breeding of this species?
    Is that correct sentence?

    Thank you.

  1. MikeNewYork's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • American English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States

    • Join Date: Nov 2002
    • Posts: 24,983
    #2

    Re: successful breeding can be achieved

    The sentence is fine. In this case "given patience" refers to the sire and the dam or the breeder who is orchestrating the breeding..

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Ukraine
      • Current Location:
      • Ukraine

    • Join Date: May 2013
    • Posts: 78
    #3

    Re: successful breeding can be achieved

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    The sentence is fine. In this case "given patience" refers to the sire and the dam or the breeder who is orchestrating the breeding..
    But I'm still doubting... I can't think about anybody except the breeder. Because only a breeder can be trying to achieve successful breeding of a species (not an animal). And only a breeder can be "given patient", right? If so, there is still no subject in the sentence because of the passive in both parts of the sentence.
    Am I wrong?
    Last edited by Viktor Sorokin; 30-May-2013 at 04:15.

  2. MikeNewYork's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • American English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States

    • Join Date: Nov 2002
    • Posts: 24,983
    #4

    Re: successful breeding can be achieved

    In the original sentence, "breeding" is the subject.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Ukraine
      • Current Location:
      • Ukraine

    • Join Date: May 2013
    • Posts: 78
    #5

    Re: successful breeding can be achieved

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    In the original sentence, "breeding" is the subject.
    I wanted to say - there is no performer of the action :).
    If the sentence were just
    "Successful breeding of this species can be achieved".
    - it would be grammatically understandable to me.
    or
    Given patience, one can achieve successful breeding of this species
    But Given patience, successful breeding of this species can be achieved. sounds like it's not clear who Given patience refers to.

  3. emsr2d2's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK

    • Join Date: Jul 2009
    • Posts: 41,925
    #6

    Re: successful breeding can be achieved

    Sometimes, who it refers to isn't actually given but the context will tell you. In your example, it's general patience by the people involved in the breeding of that particular species. I would prefer "Given time, successful breeding of this species can be achieved" but using "Given patience" is almost a hidden instruction to people involved in the breeding not to be impatient - it's going to take a while. I'm not saying it's wrong, but I would have said "Given time" or "With patience".
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

Similar Threads

  1. When something has been achieved repeatedly.
    By sanfaina in forum General Language Discussions
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 12-Oct-2009, 20:21
  2. [General] getting a breeding certificate
    By jirickova in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 22-Apr-2009, 14:02
  3. artificial breeding
    By changeling in forum Editing & Writing Topics
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 12-May-2008, 20:46
  4. was largely successful / was in large successful
    By englishstudent in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 28-Mar-2006, 05:30
  5. What have i achieved so far at Anglophile?
    By Anonymous in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 24-Oct-2003, 15:34

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •