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    Perfect participle after "when"'

    Hello.
    I want to say: "When I came out of the cafe, I noticed it was raining."
    I know I could say "When comming out of the cafe, I noticed it was raining.", but would this sentence also mean "When I was coming out of the cafe, I noticed it was raining."? I guess that it would. If I want to emphasize that I first came out of the cafe and afterwards noticed that it was raining, may I say "When having come out of the cafe, I noticed it was raining."?
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    Re: Perfect participle after "when"'

    Your sentences are ungrammatical.

    I'd say 'When I left the cafe, I noticed it had rained' or 'When I left the cafe, I noticed it was raining' or 'When I left the cafe, I noticed it had been raining'.

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    Re: Perfect participle after "when"'

    Thanks, I have corrected them.
    How about the main topic? Is using perfect participle like that ungrammatical too?

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    Re: Perfect participle after "when"'

    "When I came out of the cafe, I noticed it was raining."
    This is OK.

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    Re: Perfect participle after "when"'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Lucky_One View Post
    Hello.
    I want to say: "When I came out of the cafe, I noticed it was raining."
    I know I could say "When comming out of the cafe, I noticed it was raining.", but would this sentence also mean "When I was coming out of the cafe, I noticed it was raining."? I guess that it would. If I want to emphasize that I first came out of the cafe and afterwards noticed that it was raining, may I say "When having come out of the cafe, I noticed it was raining."?
    Delete 'when' --> Having come out....

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    Re: Perfect participle after "when"'

    Quote Originally Posted by philo2009 View Post
    Delete 'when' --> Having come out....
    Why?

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    Re: Perfect participle after "when"'

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    Why?
    Having come out of the café, I noticed it was raining.

    I agree with philo2009 that you can't have "When" at the start of that sentence and have it be a natural sentence.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: Perfect participle after "when"'

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Having come out of the café, I noticed it was raining.

    I agree with philo2009 that you can't have "When" at the start of that sentence and have it be a natural sentence.
    I don't agree. Of course I agree that it's fine with "Having come out..." but I think the OP's sentence is likely to be heard far more often.

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    Re: Perfect participle after "when"'

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    I don't agree. Of course I agree that it's fine with "Having come out..." but I think the OP's sentence is likely to be heard far more often.
    I have to disagree. I find "When having come out of the cafe I noticed it was raining" entirely unnatural.

    With some punctuation and some extra information at the end of the sentence, it's possible: When, having come out of the café, I noticed it was raining, I decided to get a taxi home.

    Of course I agree that "When I came out of the café, I noticed it was raining" is more likely to be heard but philo was commenting (I believe on "When having come out of the cafe ...")
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: Perfect participle after "when"'

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    I have to disagree. I find "When having come out of the cafe I noticed it was raining" entirely unnatural.

    With some punctuation and some extra information at the end of the sentence, it's possible: When, having come out of the café, I noticed it was raining, I decided to get a taxi home.

    Of course I agree that "When I came out of the café, I noticed it was raining" is more likely to be heard but philo was commenting (I believe on "When having come out of the cafe ...")
    I was commenting on this: "I want to say: "When I came out of the cafe, I noticed it was raining." I didn't say anything at all about "When having come out of the cafe I noticed it was raining", which, as you say, is entirely unnatural.

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