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    #1

    He told a lie that he studied English very hard.

    Hi,

    "He told a/the lie that he studied English very hard."

    I guess that "He told that he studied English very hard. But it was a lie." would be much more idiomatic.

    I wonder if "He told a/the lie that he studied English very hard." is grammatical or not.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: He told a lie that he studied English very hard.

    I find "He lied that he had studied English very hard" more natural.
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: He told a lie that he studied English very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by taked4700 View Post
    Hi,

    "He told a/the lie that he studied English very hard."

    I guess that "He told that he studied English very hard. But it was a lie." would be much more idiomatic.

    I wonder if "He told a/the lie that he studied English very hard." is grammatical or not.

    Thanks in advance.
    He lied when he said that he had studied English very hard.

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    Re: He told a lie that he studied English very hard.

    Thank you, Chicken Sandwich.
    I'm afraid that "He lied that he had studied English very hard" is not grammatical.

    Thank you, MikeNewYork.
    Is it OK for me to understand that
    "He told a/the lie that he studied English very hard." is not idiomatic?

    Thanks in advance.


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    #5

    Re: He told a lie that he studied English very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by taked4700 View Post
    Thank you, Chicken Sandwich.
    I'm afraid that "He lied that he had studied English very hard" is not grammatical.

    Thank you, MikeNewYork.
    Is it OK for me to understand that
    "He told a/the lie that he studied English very hard." is not idiomatic?

    Thanks in advance.

    It's not idiomatic.

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    Re: He told a lie that he studied English very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by taked4700 View Post
    Thank you, Chicken Sandwich.
    I'm afraid that "He lied that he had studied English very hard" is not grammatical.

    Thank you, MikeNewYork.
    Is it OK for me to understand that
    "He told a/the lie that he studied English very hard." is not idiomatic?

    Thanks in advance.

    Yes. I agree with Bhai.

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    Re: He told a lie that he studied English very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by taked4700 View Post
    Thank you, Chicken Sandwich.
    I'm afraid that "He lied that he had studied English very hard" is not grammatical.
    Really? Why is it ungrammatical?
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    Re: He told a lie that he studied English very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chicken Sandwich View Post
    Really? Why is it ungrammatical?
    The verb "lie" is usually intransitive.

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    #9

    Re: He told a lie that he studied English very hard.

    I see, but some people use it as a transitive verb. For example:

    He lied that he had met the man weeks before.
    (Revisions of - Goodloe Byron)

    He lied that he had landed with only $63 in his pocket, and he made it clear that he was taking his family to his brother's home in Texas, although brother's home in Texas, although brother Robert wouldn't be able to chip in for the fare to bring them there.
    (Brothers in Arms: The Kennedys, the Castros, and the Politics of Murder - Gus Russo and Stephen Molton)

    I lied that I had a stamp and a coin collection but that my real hobby was drawing.
    (Secret Frequencies: A New York Education - John Skoyles)

    (There are many other examples.) I take it that you would write, "He lied when he said that he had met the man weeks before" and "He lied when he said that he had landed with only..." and so on?
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: He told a lie that he studied English very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chicken Sandwich View Post
    I see, but some people use it as a transitive verb. For example:

    He lied that he had met the man weeks before.
    (Revisions of - Goodloe Byron)

    He lied that he had landed with only $63 in his pocket, and he made it clear that he was taking his family to his brother's home in Texas, although brother's home in Texas, although brother Robert wouldn't be able to chip in for the fare to bring them there.
    (Brothers in Arms: The Kennedys, the Castros, and the Politics of Murder - Gus Russo and Stephen Molton)

    I lied that I had a stamp and a coin collection but that my real hobby was drawing.
    (Secret Frequencies: A New York Education - John Skoyles)

    (There are many other examples.) I take it that you would write, "He lied when he said that he had met the man weeks before" and "He lied when he said that he had landed with only..." and so on?
    Yes I would. Check the dictionaries.

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