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    on subordination to

    Altruism means caring about the needs of others more than your own. However, today I've read the following definition:
    altruism n. Benevolence to others on subordination to self-interest.
    The verb subordinate means to treat sb/sth as less important than sb/sth else. For example, "safety considerations were subordinated to commercial interests," means "commercial interests have priority over safety considerations."
    Hence, logically, the definition above would mean "self-interest is placed in a higher position than kindness to others."
    So, in summary, is the definition above not correct or else, what is the mistake in my reasoning?
    Please give me your opinions. Thank you so very much,
    Hung.

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    Re: on subordination to

    Quote Originally Posted by khanhhung2512 View Post
    Altruism means caring about the needs of others more than your own. However, today I've read the following definition:
    altruism n. Benevolence to others on subordination to self-interest.
    The verb subordinate means to treat sb/sth as less important than sb/sth else. For example, "safety considerations were subordinated to commercial interests," means "commercial interests have priority over safety considerations."
    Hence, logically, the definition above would mean "self-interest is placed in a higher position than kindness to others."
    So, in summary, is the definition above not correct or else, what is the mistake in my reasoning?
    Please give me your opinions. Thank you so very much,
    Hung.
    The definition seems wrong. Where did you find it?
    I haven't heard "on subordination to" before. Is it possibly a non-native's error with prepositions?

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    Re: on subordination to

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    The definition seems wrong. Where did you find it?
    I haven't heard "on subordination to" before. Is it possibly a non-native's error with prepositions?
    I read that definition in "5000 Collegiate Words with Brief Definitions."
    This is the site:
    Last edited by khanhhung2512; 13-Aug-2013 at 08:06.
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    Re: on subordination to

    That site has some unusual definitions and a few typos:

    abhorrence - The act of detesting extremely
    able-bodied - Competent for physical service
    abridge - to make shorter in words, leaning (sic) out minor particles
    abyss - Bottomless gulf


    and those are taken only from the first 50 of 5,000 words.

    Bookmark OneLook.com for free access to more reliable dictionaries (click on the underlined link).

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    Re: on subordination to

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    Bookmark OneLook.com for free access to more reliable dictionaries (click on the underlined link).
    Thanks. Actually I already used some good dictionaries like Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.
    I'm just trying to improve my vocabulary by learning these 5000 Collegiate Words.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    That site has some unusual definitions and a few typos:
    abhorrence - The act of detesting extremely
    able-bodied - Competent for physical service
    abridge - to make shorter in words, keeping the essential features, leaning out minor particles
    abyss - Bottomless gulf

    and those are taken only from the first 50 of 5,000 words.

    Since it only provides b
    rief definitions, I think those that you cited are acceptable. (Please correct me if you think otherwise.)
    Of course, however, I think the definition I cited is problematic.

    Quote Originally Posted by khanhhung2512 View Post
    altruism n. Benevolence to others on subordination to self-interest.
    Last edited by khanhhung2512; 13-Aug-2013 at 11:29.
    Please notify me of any mistakes in my posts. It is much appreciated.

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    Re: on subordination to

    Quote Originally Posted by khanhhung2512 View Post
    Thanks. Actually I already used some good dictionaries like Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.
    I'm just trying to improve my vocabulary by learning these 5000 Collegiate Words.

    Since it only provides b
    rief definitions, I think those that you cited are acceptable. (Please correct me if you think otherwise.)
    Of course, however, I think the definition I cited is problematic.
    abhorrence - The act of detesting extremely
    able-bodied - Competent for physical service
    abridge - to make shorter in words, keeping the essential features, leaning out minor particles
    abyss - Bottomless gulf
    I don't find them acceptable.

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    Re: on subordination to

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    abhorrence - The act of detesting extremely
    able-bodied - Competent for physical service
    abridge - to make shorter in words, keeping the essential features, leaning out minor particles
    abyss - Bottomless gulf
    I don't find them acceptable.
    How so?
    Please notify me of any mistakes in my posts. It is much appreciated.

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    Re: on subordination to

    Quote Originally Posted by khanhhung2512 View Post
    How so?
    They are not natural English. To me they look like they were written by a non-native speaker. Take Rover's advice and use OneLook.com

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    Re: on subordination to

    altruism n. Benevolence to others on subordination to self-interest.
    In any case this could be fixed with:
    "Benevolence to others by/with subordination of self-interest."
    "Subordination of self-interest to the benevolence of others."

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