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    #1

    with which

    Are these sentences correct:

    1-I gave him a key with which to open the door.

    2-I gave him the key with which to open the door.

    Does the phrase 'with which to open the door' modify 'a key' and 'the key'?

    I think the style a bit cumbersome because one could do away with "with which", but the sentences work.

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    #2

    Re: with which

    Both sentences are correct and natural.

    I think "with which to open the door" is adverbial. It modifies gave by explaining how the given key is to be used.

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    #3

    Re: with which

    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan View Post
    Are these sentences correct:

    1-I gave him a key with which to open the door.

    2-I gave him the key with which to open the door.

    Does the phrase 'with which to open the door' modify 'a key' and 'the key'?

    I think the style a bit cumbersome because one could do away with "with which", but the sentences work.

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    Navi.
    Both sentences are OK, but they could be simpler. I gave him a/the key to open the door.

    I disagree with Probus. The phrases are adjectival and describe "key". It is "key with which", not "gave with which".

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    #4

    Re: with which

    Thank you very much Probus,

    Would the sentences work if one put a comma after 'key'?

    1a-I gave him a key, with which to open the door.
    2a-I gave him the key, with which to open the door.

    I cannot tell whether these work or not. The phrases after the commas look as if they have been added as afterthoughts.

    Gratefully,
    Navi.

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    #5

    Re: with which

    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan View Post
    Thank you very much Probus,

    Would the sentences work if one put a comma after 'key'?

    1a-I gave him a key, with which to open the door.
    2a-I gave him the key, with which to open the door.

    I cannot tell whether these work or not. The phrases after the commas look as if they have been added as afterthoughts.

    Gratefully,
    Navi.
    Those commas are wrong. And worse...they don't help.

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    #6

    Re: with which

    Upon reflection, I have to agree with Mike. "With which" modifies key.

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