[Grammar] which is deleting

[kite]

Hi there all,

"A girl who is grown up in a rural society/environment and even if not much educated has a better understanding about the society than a girl who is grown up in an urban society/environment." Now I am going to rewrite this sentence deleting which is from the sentence to check if I can write it correctly.

"A girl grown up in a rural society and even if not much educated has a better understanding about the society than a girl grown up in an urban society."

Is my sentence correct?

Thanks.

 

[probus]

Neither one is at all natural.

A girl who has grown up in a rural society will have a better understanding of that society than a girl who has grown up in an urban environment.

 

[kite]

Thanks. I wanted to try deleting the relative pronoun. In your sentence, can't "who has" be deleted to shorten the sentence?
"A girl grown up in a rural society will have a better understanding of that society than a girl who has grown up in an urban environment."

 

[probus]

Not with the phrasal verb "grow up". But if you substitute "raised" it would work: a girl raised in a rural society...

 

[kite]

Not with the phrasal verb "grow up". But if you substitute "raised" it would work: a girl raised in a rural society...

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Then you say that we can delete relative pronouns when it is with a single verb but not phrasal verb, don't you?

 

[5jj]

Then you say that we can delete relative pronouns when it is with a single verb but not phrasal verb, don't you?

No.

The point is that 'raised' is passive in meaning, as would be the acceptable 'brought up'.

 

[kite]

English grammar seems to be very complicated.:-D

Thanks to both of you anyway.

 

[5jj]

The girl grew up / has grown up in the country.- No passive possible.

The girl's grandparents raised her / have raised her. - She was raised / has been raised by her grandparents.
The girl's grandparents brought her up / have brought her up.- She was brought up / has been brought up by her grandparents.

 

[kite]

Wow! very clear 5jj. The case was with verbs. Some verbs cannot be made as passive, so the "grow up" is one of them. I knew it but I didn't know what those verbs are. Is there any way to find verbs if which verbs can be made as positive and which is cannot be? And I believe they have name. Can you please give me those name? I mean how those verbs(which have no passive form and which have) are called.

 

[5jj]

Intransitive verbs, verbs that do not take an object, have no passive form.