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    simple past + present perfect?

    Is it OK to use simple past with present perfect like this?

    I didn't hear what you've said.

    It sounds ungrammatical and unnatural to me. I'd say "I didn't hear what you said." instead.
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    #2

    Re: simple past + present perfect?

    You are right.
    I'm not a teacher of English, but I have spoken it for (almost) all of my life....

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    #3

    Re: simple past + present perfect?

    Am I right in saying that this combination of tenses (in this particular sentence) is ungrammatical, or unnatural or maybe both?
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    Re: simple past + present perfect?

    It's probably not ungrammatical, but it's certainly unnatural.
    I'm not a teacher of English, but I have spoken it for (almost) all of my life....

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    #5

    Re: simple past + present perfect?

    Could you please explain why this is unnatural?
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    #6

    Re: simple past + present perfect?

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    I'm not sure. Maybe it's just that there is less "ambiguity" between the present perfect and the simple past than there is between, for instance, the past perfect and the simple past. I suppose both actions are considered squarely in the past, so the present perfect makes no sense to native ears.

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    Re: simple past + present perfect?

    What if there was "just" after "have"? Like so:

    I didn't hear what you've just said.

    Would it still be unnatural? If not, how come that by simply adding "just" it becomes all right?
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    Re: simple past + present perfect?

    Quote Originally Posted by CarloSsS View Post
    What if there was "just" after "have"? Like so:

    I didn't hear what you've just said.

    Would it still be unnatural? If not, how come that by simply adding "just" it becomes all right?
    Yes, it's still unnatural.

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    #9

    Re: simple past + present perfect?

    Quote Originally Posted by CarloSsS View Post
    Could you please explain why this is unnatural?
    By 'unnatural' we mean that it's not colloquial; it's not how native speakers would say it.

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    Re: simple past + present perfect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    By 'unnatural' we mean that it's not colloquial; it's not how native speakers would say it.
    That's what I thought from the very beginning before I asked here. Thank you all for your advice once again.

    Now, how do I persuade one student of mine who stubbornly claims that it's all right to say this because one native speaker told him so? Any advice how to approach and deal with this situation?

    It's very hard for me (as a non-native) to oppose native speakers, as students tend to believe them more even in situations when they're clearly wrong, such as this one.
    Please note that I'm not a teacher.

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