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    a man to participate

    Are these correct:

    1-Jane is one of the women to participate in our discussion group.

    2-Jane is a woman to participate in our discussion group.

    I think '1' works but '2' does not.
    It seems to be saying that if Jane has accepted to participate in our discussion group, then she is a woman. (She is a brave person to participate in our discussion group.)

    3-John is a player to score goals.


    This one seems OK to me. It means he can score goals.

    Gratefully,
    Navi.

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    Re: a man to participate

    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan View Post
    Are these correct:

    1-Jane is one of the women to participate in our discussion group.

    2-Jane is a woman to participate in our discussion group.

    I think '1' works but '2' does not.
    It seems to be saying that if Jane has accepted to participate in our discussion group, then she is a woman. (She is a brave person to participate in our discussion group.)

    3-John is a player to score goals.


    This one seems OK to me. It means he can score goals.

    Gratefully,
    Navi.
    I don't find any of them at all natural.

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    #3

    Re: a man to participate

    I'm not one to disagree.

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    Re: a man to participate

    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan View Post
    Are these correct:

    1-Jane is one of the women to participate in our discussion group.

    2-Jane is a woman to participate in our discussion group.

    I think '1' works but '2' does not.
    It seems to be saying that if Jane has accepted to participate in our discussion group, then she is a woman. (She is a brave person to participate in our discussion group.)

    3-John is a player to score goals.


    This one seems OK to me. It means he can score goals.

    Gratefully,
    Navi.
    None of them work for me either, Navi.

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    Re: a man to participate

    #1 works if what you mean is "Jane is one of the women [who is] to participate in our discussion group" but it's not a natural wording. It would work far better in the past tense, used after the discussion group has taken place - "Jane was one of the women to participate in our discussion group".

    The other two don't make sense.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #6

    Re: a man to participate

    Thank you all very much,

    How about:

    a-We need a player to score goals.


    I think that is correct, but can it mean two things:

    1-We need for a player to score goals.=We need one of our players to score goals.

    2-We need a player who can score goals=We need a new player, one who scores goals.

    Gratefully,
    Navi.

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    #7

    Re: a man to participate

    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan View Post
    Thank you all very much,

    How about:

    a-We need a player to score goals.


    I think that is correct, but can it mean two things:

    1-We need for a player to score goals.=We need one of our players to score goals.

    2-We need a player who can score goals=We need a new player, one who scores goals.

    Gratefully,
    Navi.
    Either.

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    Re: a man to participate

    But that doesn't mean 'It's ambiguous and so it's bad' Navi. The context will make it clear:

    In 'We need a player to score goals, and I've got my mind on just the man' it's clear that the meaning is 2.

    In 'We need a player to score goals, but the Board won't let me spend any more, so get out there and score' it's clear that the meaning is 1.

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