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    #1

    Management assumes no responsibility for (the) loss (of) or damage to vehicles...

    Management assumes no responsibility for (the) loss (of) or damage to vehicles in the car park.

    Are"the" and "of" needed?

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    #2

    Re: Management assumes no responsibility for (the) loss (of) or damage to vehicles...

    It depends- on a sign, it might save space and make it less cluttered to omit them.

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    #3

    Re: Management assumes no responsibility for (the) loss (of) or damage to vehicles...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    It depends- on a sign, it might save space and make it less cluttered to omit them.
    Thanks, Tdol. I am interested in the grammatical aspect of the notice. May I conclude "the" and "of" are needed? Thanks.

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    Re: Management assumes no responsibility for (the) loss (of) or damage to vehicles...

    If you insist on 'the' and 'of', you also need to begin 'The management...'

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    #5

    Re: Management assumes no responsibility for (the) loss (of) or damage to vehicles...

    Quote Originally Posted by kohyoongliat View Post
    Management assumes no responsibility for (the) loss (of) or damage to vehicles in the car park.

    Are"the" and "of" needed?

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    The 'of' is needed. The phrase 'loss to a vehicle' doesn't make much sense, though I imagine some speakers might argue that loss of its wheels (say) would constitute a loss to the vehicle. (I don't buy it, but somebody might )

    Whether to include 'the' is a matter for the sign-writer, as Tdol said.

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    #6

    Re: Management assumes no responsibility for (the) loss (of) or damage to vehicles...

    Thanks, Bob

    Management assumes no responsibility for the loss of or damage to vehicles in the car park.

    "loss'" relates to the vehicles. In other words, Management assumes no responsibility for the loss of vehicles in the car park.

    Maybe the sentence should include "while they are parked".

    Hence,
    Management assumes no responsibility for the loss of or damage to vehicles while they are parked in the car park.

    Am I correct?
    Last edited by kohyoongliat; 14-Oct-2013 at 09:17.

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    Re: Management assumes no responsibility for (the) loss (of) or damage to vehicles...

    Quote Originally Posted by kohyoongliat View Post

    Maybe the sentence should include "while they are parked".

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    Management assumes no responsibility for the loss of or damage to vehicles while they are parked in the car park.

    Am I correct?
    No. If you added the restricting 'while they are parked', a lawyer might argue that the management implicitly accepted responsibility for damage to the vehicle while the driver was driving around looking for a space, or manoeuvring into one.

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    #8

    Re: Management assumes no responsibility for (the) loss (of) or damage to vehicles...

    If someone breaks in and steals your ipod from the car, the management is not responsible for that "loss" either. It's not just the loss of the car.

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    #9

    Re: Management assumes no responsibility for (the) loss (of) or damage to vehicles...

    Coincidentally, I found this sign today:

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    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: Management assumes no responsibility for (the) loss (of) or damage to vehicles...

    Thanks, emsr.

    What is the purpose of "however arising"? It seems redundant to me.

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