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    I have this watch since I got married./I have had this watch since I got married.

    I know "since" is usually used with a perfect form ahead. However, a verb like "have" or "feel" has the meaning that some state continues even if they are not changed into a perfect form. In such a case, is it possible to use a present form in a main clause instead of a perfect form?

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    I have this watch since I got married.
    I have had this watch since I got married.

    Which sentence sounds more natural to native English speakers?

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    #2

    Re: I have this watch since I got married./I have had this watch since I got married.

    Only the second sounds natural because the first is incorrect.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 08-Nov-2013 at 03:16.

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    #3

    Re: I have this watch since I got married./I have had this watch since I got married.

    Do you mean both sentences are normally used and there is no difference between the two?

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    Re: I have this watch since I got married./I have had this watch since I got married.

    How did you draw that conclusion?!

    The first one is wrong. It is not natural. It is not used by native speakers. It is incorrect.
    The second one is right. It is natural. It is used by native speakers.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: I have this watch since I got married./I have had this watch since I got married.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    How did you draw that conclusion?!
    The initial post by Rover_KE indicated only "O" for some reason. I guess that Rover might have noticed the fact afterwards and completed the sentence. I thought the "O" signified "correct" like something made by a teacher on a paper test. Anyway, thanks both of you.
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    Re: I have this watch since I got married./I have had this watch since I got married.

    After I slept on it, now I have one more question to discuss in depth. Does it mean that a perfect form is mandatory in a main clause if you start with "since (signifying continuation after a particular time)" in a subordinate clause without exception? As far as I know, one exception is easily found in many textbooks.

    It is ten years since I moved to this town.
    It has been ten years since I moved to this town.
    (These sentences are replaceable.)

    I can find this type of usage in many textbooks, which is also somewhat related to my initial question. Is there any other type of usage similar to this?
    I would appreciate if anyone could help with this matter.
    Last edited by mogu; 09-Nov-2013 at 02:42.

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    #7

    Whether using a perfect form before "since" is mandatory or not

    Though I have continued my last post, nobody answers it. Therefore I created a new thread here.

    The question below is cited from my last thread "I have this watch since I got married./I have had this watch since I got married."

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    After I slept on it, now I have one more question to discuss in depth. Does it mean that a perfect form is mandatory in a main clause if you start with "since (signifying continuation after a particular time)" in a subordinate clause without exception? As far as I know, one exception is easily found in many textbooks.

    It is ten years since I moved to this town.
    It has been ten years since I moved to this town.
    (These sentences are replaceable.)

    I can find this type of usage in many textbooks, which is also somewhat related to my initial question. Is there any other type of usage similar to this?
    I would appreciate if anyone could help with this matter.

    //////////////////////////

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    Re: Whether using a perfect form before "since" is mandatory or not

    I have merged your new thread with the old one. After a few days, it's acceptable to bump your thread. Please don't start a new thread with the same question repeated.

    It is flat out wrong to write "I have this watch since I got married."
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #9

    Re: Whether using a perfect form before "since" is mandatory or not

    Quote Originally Posted by mogu View Post
    Though I have continued my last post, nobody answers it. Therefore I created a new thread here.

    The question below is cited from my last thread "I have this watch since I got married./I have had this watch since I got married."

    /////////////////////////

    After I slept on it, now I have one more question to discuss in depth. Does it mean that a perfect form is mandatory in a main clause if you start with "since (signifying continuation after a particular time)" in a subordinate clause without exception? As far as I know, one exception is easily found in many textbooks.

    It is ten years since I moved to this town.
    It has been ten years since I moved to this town.
    (These sentences are replaceable.) What do you mean by 'replaceable?' If you mean 'interchangeable,' they are not interchangeable. The first one is wrong.

    I can find this type of usage in many textbooks, which is also somewhat related to my initial question. Is there any other type of usage similar to this?
    I would appreciate if anyone could help with this matter.

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    I hope this settles this matter.

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    #10

    Re: Whether using a perfect form before "since" is mandatory or not

    I am sorry to unsettle the matter, but It is ten years since I moved here is OK in BrE. This is an exception, and could be used in informal language. However, in most cases, like the example with the watch, it cannot be done. Offhand, I can't think of other exceptions.

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