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    STING FRAGILE

    If blood will flow when flesh and steel are one
    Drying in the colour of the evening sun
    Tomorrow's rain will wash the stains away
    But something in our minds wiil always stay

    How can we explain "will" after "if"?
    Thanks a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alimdul View Post
    If blood will flow when flesh and steel are one
    Drying in the colour of the evening sun
    Tomorrow's rain will wash the stains away
    But something in our minds wiil always stay

    How can we explain "will" after "if"?
    Thanks a lot.
    Why does it need explanation?

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    Re: STING FRAGILE

    I might be wrong but there is usually the present simple after "if": If it rains we won't have a picnic tomorrow.

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    Re: STING FRAGILE

    This appears to be a poem. It appears to me that the words have been chosen to fit the rhythm of the verse.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #5

    Re: STING FRAGILE

    'If' can mean 'given that', and 'will is normal then.

    A: Luke will be here tomorrow.
    B: Well, if Luke will be here, I'll get him to look at my computer.

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    Re: STING FRAGILE

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    This appears to be a poem. It appears to me that the words have been chosen to fit the rhythm of the verse.
    Curious about the thread title, I googled it.

    It's from a song called 'Fragile' by Sting.

    You could have mentioned this in post #1, Alimdul.

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    I'm sorry if it wasn't clear from the thread title as it was for me. Nevertheless, due to 5jj comment I'm studying BBC Learning English>Grammar, Vocabulary & Pronunciation>Learn it>"if-clauses" containing "will".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alimdul View Post
    ... Nevertheless, due to 5jj comment I'm studying BBC Learning English>Grammar, Vocabulary & Pronunciation>Learn it>"if-clauses" containing "will".
    (neither an English teacher nor a native speaker )

    A very similar case - I would even say "identical in terms of semantics" - has been described by Michael Swan in his well known "Practical English Usage". I cannot recall the page number now, but I can say for sure that there are a few paragraphs concerning the matter.
    Last edited by Weaver67; 27-Nov-2013 at 07:44.

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    Besides I've read the thread from 29 March 2010 "will after conditional if". Unfortunately I didn't understand how to apply these exceptions (result, polite manner, insistence) to this definite item ("If blood will flow..."). On the other hand I've gained some knowledge.

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    Re: STING FRAGILE

    Swan shows five typical cases where "if...will" is acceptable. In addition to "polite request", "insistence", and "result", there are also two more: "indirect questions (I don't know if...)" and "If it is true now that...". The former is not so interesting, but the latter is...

    Here is how it goes in the book:
    "We use will with if when we are saying 'if it is true now that...' or 'if we know now that...'.
    If Ann won't be here on Tuesday, we'd better cancel the meeting.
    If prices will really come down in a few months, I'm not going to buy one now.
    " (p.237, "Practical English Usage", Third Edition)

    To my mind, the idea seems to be pretty much the same as what 5jj said about "Given that..." a few posts earlier.
    Last edited by Weaver67; 29-Nov-2013 at 16:44.

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