Results 1 to 8 of 8
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • Taiwan
      • Current Location:
      • Taiwan

    • Join Date: Apr 2008
    • Posts: 60
    #1

    where's the "that clause"?

    Hi,

    I don't understand the strcture of this sentence. I don't understand why it's not a that clause after "hoped" but "would earn..".

    In 17th-century Russia, hunters and trappers flooded into Siberia in search of fur, which they hoped would earn them great wealth.


    Thanks.

  1. Barb_D's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • American English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States

    • Join Date: Mar 2007
    • Posts: 19,218
    #2

    Re: where's the "that clause"?

    "Which" refers to fur. The trappers hoped that the fur would bring them wealth.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • Taiwan
      • Current Location:
      • Taiwan

    • Join Date: Apr 2008
    • Posts: 60
    #3

    Re: where's the "that clause"?

    Thanks for your reply. Could the sentence be "...,which they hoped that it would earn them great wealth." ?

  2. Barb_D's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • American English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States

    • Join Date: Mar 2007
    • Posts: 19,218
    #4

    Re: where's the "that clause"?

    Quote Originally Posted by shabushabu View Post
    Thanks for your reply. Could the sentence be "...,which they hoped that it would earn them great wealth." ?

    No. You can't have a "which" and a "that" in the same sentence that way.
    Here are some options.

    In 17th-century Russia, hunters and trappers flooded into Siberia in search of fur, which they hoped would earn them great wealth.

    In 17th-century Russia, hunters and trappers flooded into Siberia in search of fur. The hunters and trappers hoped the fur would earn them great wealth.

    In 17th-century Russia, hunters and trappers flooded into Siberia in search of fur. They hoped that the fur would earn them great wealth.

    In 17th-century Russia, hunters and trappers flooded into Siberia in search of fur, hoping the fur would earn them great wealth.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • Taiwan
      • Current Location:
      • Taiwan

    • Join Date: Apr 2008
    • Posts: 60
    #5

    Re: where's the "that clause"?

    Many thanks for your explanation and examples, which are both clear and helpful.

    I then looked up some grammar books to get more information, and I found out this structure possibly could be named "relative clauses combined with indirect statements". In that case, you are right we can't put "that" after "they hoped" because the relative pronoun is a subject.

    Thanks again.

  3. bhaisahab's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Ireland

    • Join Date: Apr 2008
    • Posts: 25,624
    #6

    Re: where's the "that clause"?

    Quote Originally Posted by shabushabu View Post
    Many thanks for your explanation and examples, which are both clear and helpful.

    I then looked up some grammar books to get more information, and I found out this structure possibly could be named "relative clauses combined with indirect statements". In that case, you are right we can't put "that" after "they hoped" because the relative pronoun is a subject.

    Thanks again.
    We can, and do, put "that" after "they hoped". The problem is "which" before it.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • Taiwan
      • Current Location:
      • Taiwan

    • Join Date: Apr 2008
    • Posts: 60
    #7

    Re: where's the "that clause"?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    We can, and do, put "that" after "they hoped". The problem is "which" before it.
    Do you mean this: It's a house (which) we hope (that) someone could buy it now.

  4. emsr2d2's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK

    • Join Date: Jul 2009
    • Posts: 41,843
    #8

    Re: where's the "that clause"?

    Quote Originally Posted by shabushabu View Post
    Do you mean this: It's a house (which) we hope (that) someone could buy it now.
    In that sentence, "it" is incorrect. "Which" and "that" could be used but are both unnecessary.

    It's a house we hope someone will buy now.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

Similar Threads

  1. [Grammar] Use of "THAT" Clause in Poe's "Annabel Lee"
    By ralaan in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 12-May-2013, 16:47
  2. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 19-Apr-2013, 14:06
  3. [Grammar] "think+O+OC+to V" = "think+O+OC+that clause" = "think+O+OC+V-ing" ?
    By simile in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 01-Aug-2012, 15:07
  4. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 08-Jun-2012, 14:09
  5. [Grammar] about "who" and "that" in starting the attributive clause.
    By roseriver1012 in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 06-Jun-2012, 14:26

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •