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    I wonder (that)

    The answer here is "whether", but somebody says "that" also works with "wonder" meaning "getting surprised". Can it work like that?

    3)I wonder (that/whether) she will give me a hand.

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    Re: I wonder (that)

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    The answer here is "whether", but somebody says "that" also works with "wonder" meaning "getting surprised". Can it work like that?

    3)I wonder (that/whether) she will give me a hand.
    It doesn't work in that sentence.

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    Re: I wonder (that)

    Does it work in this sentence? Why doesn't the original sentence work?

    I wonder that she gave me a hand even though she had hated me for a long time.

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    Re: I wonder (that)

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    Does it work in this sentence? Why doesn't the original sentence work?

    I wonder that she gave me a hand even though she had hated me for a long time.
    In your new sentence, "why" would be better than "that".
    Last edited by MikeNewYork; 14-Jan-2014 at 01:38.

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    Re: I wonder (that)

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    In your new sentence, "why" would be better than "that".
    I agree. "That" instead of "why" sounds old-fashioned in my opinion. I've found a similar example in Google Books:

    I wonder that all young gentlemen do not marry heiresses;—it is so easy.
    (The Duke's Children -- Anthony Trollope)
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: I wonder (that)

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    Does it work in this sentence? Why doesn't the original sentence work?

    I wonder that she gave me a hand even though she had hated me for a long time.
    Yes, it works in that sentence (regardless of any construction that might be 'better' but mean something different).

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    Re: I wonder (that)

    Does it mean "be surprised" or "be curious"?

    I wonder that she gave me a hand even though she had hated me for a long time.

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    Re: I wonder (that)

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    Does it mean "be surprised" or "be curious"?

    I wonder that she gave me a hand even though she had hated me for a long time.
    That construction is not natural in AmE.

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    Re: I wonder (that)

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    Does it mean "be surprised" or "be curious"?

    I wonder that she gave me a hand even though she had hated me for a long time.
    Yes, that's right. I consider that "I wonder that ..." has a different meaning from "I wonder why ...". The latter means that you're thinking explicitly about the reason; the former simply means that you're in a state of wonderment - perhaps you're reflecting on the changeability of people's attitudes.

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    Re: I wonder (that)

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    Does it mean "be surprised" or "be curious"?

    I wonder that she gave me a hand even though she had hated me for a long time.
    In AmE, we would more likely say "I wonder about her giving me a hand even though...".

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