1. ## twice as often

What does "twice as often" mean? For example.

Does it mean:

1) two times less frequently
2) two times more frequently

2. ## Re: twice as often

It means two times more frequently. In other words, if you used to visit him three times a week, you are being asked to visit him six times a week.

3. ## Re: twice as often

So, if I want to say the opposite I should say "twice as rare", right?

4. ## Re: twice as often

No. Say "less often" or - more precisely - "half as often".

5. ## Re: twice as often

"Pay him your visits" isn't natural for me.

"Pay him a visit twice/half as often".

6. ## Re: twice as often

Also, "visit him twice/half as often".

7. ## Re: twice as often

Originally Posted by Grumpy
It means two times more frequently. In other words, if you used to visit him three times a week, you are being asked to visit him six times a week.
Technically, "two times more" is not the same as "twice as much".

"Twice as much as" = 2 times the base. If the base is 3, it is 6
"Two times more than" means 2 times the base plus the base. If the base is 3, it is 9.

That said, usage of the two forms is often meant to be the same.

8. ## Re: twice as often

Originally Posted by MikeNewYork
That said, usage of the two forms is often meant to be the same.
Yes; to be specific "two times more" is often used for "twice as much", not vice versa.
I think that battle's been lost. If only we could draw the line at "two times less", which apparently means "half as much" to some people.

9. ## Re: twice as often

I'm the first to admit I was rubbish at maths at school but if you said to me "He visits his father three times a week. I want him to visit twice as often", I would assume you wanted him to visit six times a week. If you said to me "He visits his father three times a week. I want him to visit two times more than that", I would assume you wanted him to visit five times a week. I read "times" as "visits" in that context, so "two times more than three" is five.

10. ## Re: twice as often

Originally Posted by Raymott
Yes; to be specific "two times more" is often used for "twice as much", not vice versa.
I think that battle's been lost. If only we could draw the line at "two times less", which apparently means "half as much" to some people.
The problem is not the lost battle. It is the ambiguity that is created by "two times more/less". People with a background in mathematics, statistics, the sciences, finance, etc. will hear a number different from those who use the term incorrectly. Perhaps we should just lose the phrases.

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