here two weeks ago and I told you that you will often see and hear such sentences.Yes,a) He ordered us back to work before we had finished our meal.
I don't have a problem with the meaning of the sentence. I understand it. To me, 'We were eating. > He ordered us back to work. > We didn't finish
edour meal' What is nagging me is the logic behind it. Compare it with:. At the time of ordering, we can say, "We haven't finished our meal" Looking back at that time, we can now say, "We hadn't finished our meal".
I have read on another web board that the "non-completion" nature of "finishing our meal" made it possible to use the past perfect in sentences like a). Maybe it is similar to the use of the past perfect here?It's similar to what I said in the other thread. If you don't like the past perfect, use the past simple. That's fine, but you'll just have to accept that the past perfect is possible.c) We had hoped to take pictures from the cable car, but it rained so hard we couldn't see anything.While the past simple 'hoped' is possible, I see no problem with the past perfect here.
To make things worse (for me), I found this sentence in a grammar book.
d) He went out before I had finished my sentence.
The only comment made by the author is "Note that sentences like the last, a past perfect tense can refer to a time later than the action of the main verb. This is unusual." That didn't help me much at all.There is no difference.And last but not least:
e) I waited until it had stopped raining.
I personally would say:
f) I waited until it stopped raining.
My question is "Is there a difference between e) and f)?" And in what context would e) be preferred?
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