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    why are here two thes?

    Dear Teachers,
    I read one article from Time today whose title is "Barack Obamas Two Visions of Hope"(you can find the artile in the official web of Time). There is a sentence in the article as follows: The first is the big hope of the 2008 campaign, an infinitely large vessel that contained all the sometimes conflicting the dreams of the nationfor economic revival, greater equality, greater justice, and everything else.

    My question is why here are two the's. "all the sometimes conflicting dreams of the nation" is correct to me. We can say "all the dreams of the nation". It can be expanded by adding definitive phrase "sometimes conflicting".That's how I see the sentence and grammar. Am I wrong? Why?

    I look forward to your help.

    Million thanks.

    Japanjapan


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    Re: why are here two thes?

    The second 'the' is a mistake. It should not be there.

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    Re: why are here two thes?

    Hello
    I am not a teacher.
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    It seems to me that if the vessel contains all the things that conflict the dreams of the nation , then the second "the" shall be used because "the dreams of the nation" is a separate and independent thing.
    But if the vessel contains all the conflicting dreams of the nation then the second "the" shouldn't be there.
    The first sentence with second "the" seems correct and not ambiguous.
    Please correct me if I am not right.
    Thank you
    Last edited by hm46; 24-Feb-2014 at 10:17. Reason: I made a mistake about the posting date

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    Re: why are here two thes?

    Quote Originally Posted by hm46 View Post
    The first sentence with second "the" seems correct and not ambiguous.
    It is wrong. It is a single noun phrase, not two. You're right when you say But if the vessel contains all the conflicting dreams of the nation then the second "the" shouldn't be there.

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    Re: why are here two thes?

    Quote Originally Posted by hm46 View Post
    It seems to me that if the vessel contains all the things that conflict the dreams of the nation ,
    That makes no sense. Nothing is conflicting the dreams. The dreams are conflicting.
    The first sentence with second "the" seems correct and not ambiguous.
    The first sentence is not possible with two 'the's. The sentence is in effect:

    The first is the big hope of the 2008 campaign, an infinitely large vessel that contained all the (sometimes conflicting) dreams of the nation — for economic revival, greater equality, greater justice, and everything else.

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