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    #1

    fate and fete

    Is there any difference between their pronunciation?
    They sound identically for me.
    Please, correct all my mistakes. I should know English perfectly and if you show me my mistakes I will achieve my dream a little bit faster. A lot of thanks.

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    #2

    Re: fate and fete

    When fête is pronounced properly (ie the French pronunciation), it should sound like "fett". However, in BrE at least, it is now pronounced in exactly the same way as "fate". It's wrong but I can't imagine that it will ever change. It's been being pronounced like "fate" for so long and by so many people, I think it's impossible to change it now.

    Note that your post should have said "They sound identical to me".
    Last edited by emsr2d2; 19-Mar-2014 at 15:15.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #3

    Re: fate and fete

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    It's wrong
    It isn't wrong, it's English. Some 30% of our vocabulary comes from French, and we have anglicised the pronunciation of most. Why should fete/fête be any different?

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    #4

    Re: fate and fete

    Maybe because it's retained the accent, so it hasn't been fully assimilated- it still looks French. I think the BrE pronunciation is fine, though.

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    #5

    Re: fate and fete

    The fate of 'fete' is a fait accompli in Aus. They all sound the same here. (And we rarely spell it with the circumflex).

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    #6

    Re: fate and fete

    Interestingly (or not), most people in the UK pronounce the "fait" of "fait accompli" as "fett", just as "fête" should be pronounced!
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #7

    Re: fate and fete

    Hmm. In my world,

    Fete said fett, rhymes with set or pet.
    Fate rhymes with wait, state
    Fait (accompli) said same as "fate" though when I say it, it's more like fay -taw calm plee. I'm sure someone from France would laugh out loud at my attempt, though.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #8

    Re: fate and fete

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Interestingly (or not), most people in the UK pronounce the "fait" of "fait accompli" as "fett", just as "fête" should be pronounced!
    I have to disagree again. Both the Longman Pronunciation Dictionary and the the Cambridge English Pronouncing Dictionary transcribe the first (= more common) pronunciation of 'fait' in 'fait accompli' exactly as they transcribe 'fate'.

    And just who is it that says 'fête' should be pronounced as 'fett'?

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    #9

    Re: fate and fete

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    Fait (accompli) said same as "fate" though when I say it, it's more like fay -taw calm plee. I'm sure someone from France would laugh out loud at my attempt, though.
    They might well do so, but who are they to mock how we English speakers pronounce what are now accepted English expressions. If the French put some meat or cheese between two slices of bread, they call it what sounds vaguely like 'songweedge'. Having taken the word 'sandwich' into their language, they have a perfect right to pronounce it as they wish, and who are we to mock them?
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    #10

    Re: fate and fete

    Loan words is not an ideal term IMO; once they cross over, they belong to the second language, and they can be pronounced the way the speakers of that language see fit. The same applies to following or ignoring things like forming plurals.

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