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    #1

    without my seeing it

    Which are correct:

    1-The dog attacked me without my seeing it.

    Meaning: The dog attacked me before I had seen it.

    2-The dog barked at me without my noticing it.

    Meaning: The dog barked at me before I had noticed it.

    3-The dog barked at me without my having noticed it.
    Meaning: The dog barked at me before I had noticed it.

    4-Tom shouted at me without my provoking him.

    In '1' I obviously see the dog when he starts attacking me and in '2' and '3' I notice him when he starts barking. Maybe in these 'started barking' would work better than 'barked' (although this could imply a single bark).

    I think '4' is fine. I have doubts about the rest.

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    #2

    Re: without my seeing it

    1 Unlikely but possible with a slightly different meaning- it attacked you and got away unseen.
    2 It barked and you didn't hear it- maybe someone told you later about the barking.
    3 Borderline version of 2.

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    #3

    Re: without my seeing it

    I basically agree with Tdol, but in number one, I can't envision a situation in which a dog could attack you and then get away unseen, unless you stuck your arm through a hole in a fence. But in that case, the sentence would not be the normal way of describing the event.

    In two and three, you might not have heard the barking, but I think you would say that.

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    #4

    Re: without my seeing it

    I did say it was unlikely, but if the dog bit you from behind and jumped over a nearby wall on a foggy night in an unlit street, it might be possible. Like you, I could think of other ways of saying it, though.

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    #5

    Re: without my seeing it

    I don't know if "like" is working so let me give you a .

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    #6

    Re: without my seeing it

    Thank you both very very much.

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    I basically agree with Tdol, but in number one, I can't envision a situation in which a dog could attack you and then get away unseen, unless you stuck your arm through a hole in a fence. But in that case, the sentence would not be the normal way of describing the event.

    In two and three, you might not have heard the barking, but I think you would say that.
    But you would not say it if you noticed it after it barked at you, would you?
    I mean, you would not use it instead of:

    The dog barked at me before I had noticed it. (but then it barked at me and I noticed it)

    Gratefully,
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    #7

    Re: without my seeing it

    Possibly.

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