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    unless

    hello i want know the use of unless in this sentence


    If the EU continue with austerity, the people will be angry


    Unless the Eu don't continue with austerity, the people will be angry


    Is correct ??

    Or

    If banks exetend credit, Many shop will open

    Unless banks don't exentd credit, many shop will open

    Is ok ?


    In this case unless = IF not + don't = if ?
    Last edited by tmc13; 01-Apr-2014 at 18:10.

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    Re: unless

    Welcome to the forum. Please note my amendments to your punctuation and spelling.

    Quote Originally Posted by tmc13 View Post
    hello I want know the use of 'unless' in this sentence:

    If the EU continues with austerity, the people will be angry.

    Unless the EU don't continue with austerity, the people will be angry.

    Is this correct? It's unnatural English.

    Or

    If banks extend credit, many shops will open.

    Unless banks don't extend credit, many shops will open.

    Is this OK? No. It's unnatural English.


    In this case unless = IF not + don't = if ? No. It doesn't work that way.
    'Unless you apologise, you are no longer my friend.'

    'If you don't apologise, you are no longer my friend.'

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    Re: unless

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    Welcome to the forum. Please note my amendments to your punctuation and spelling.



    'Unless you apologise, you are no longer my friend.'

    'If you don't apologise, you are no longer my friend.'

    thank and sorry for my English.


    But i don't understand


    in this sentence for example

    If banks extend credit, many shops willl open


    I can transform it


    unless banks don't extend credit, many shop will open


    Because a double negative form= positive

    Is correct ?

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    Re: unless

    Quote Originally Posted by tmc13 View Post
    Thank you and sorry for my English.

    But I don't understand; in this sentence for example:
    "If banks extend credit, many shops will open."

    I can transform it:
    "Unless banks don't extend credit, many shops will open."

    Because a double negative forms a positive.
    Is this correct?
    As noted before, the use of 'unless' in this way ("unless they don't") is unnatural. I would say "if the banks extend credit, many shops will open." "Unless banks don't extend credit, many shops will open" doesn't make sense.

    PS: Do try to remember that "I" is always a capital letter, and that, unlike in Italian, the verb must always have an explicit subject. You must say "is this correct?", "is it OK?" etc.

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    Re: unless

    Quote Originally Posted by Calis View Post
    As noted before, the use of 'unless' in this way ("unless they don't") is unnatural. I would say "if the banks extend credit, many shops will open." "Unless banks don't extend credit, many shops will open" doesn't make sense.

    PS: Do try to remember that "I" is always a capital letter, and that, unlike in Italian, the verb must always have an explicit subject. You must say "is this correct?", "is it OK?" etc.

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    thank you

    But in my homework there is this sentence

    If banks extend credit, many shops will open

    and i must
    transform it


    unless banks................., many shop will open


    So for me i must insert " don't extend credit"


    And i have found this rule


    Unless means, approximately, “if not”, so to change if to unless, you need to negate the rest of the subordinate clause. Unless can be followed by a negative verb if it replaces if with a positive clause

    Is it ok ?

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    Re: unless

    Your homework exercise is pointless.

    Unless the banks extend credit, many shops will not open.

    That's the only natural way to transform this. Forcing the ending to be "many shops will open" creates a very unnatural sentence. As you have now heard three times.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: unless

    Some books give the impression that 'if ... not' can always be replaced by 'unless'. This is simply not true.

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    #8

    Re: unless

    I am not a teacher.

    Transform it to this and you'll have a sentence that makes sense.

    "Unless banks extend credit, many shops will close."
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 02-Apr-2014 at 11:38.

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    Re: unless

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    'if ... not' can always be replaced by 'unless'. This is simply not true.
    The Oxford dictionary defines "unless" as "except if", is this true?

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    #10

    Re: unless

    That's generally the meaning it conveys, That does not mean that 'unless' and 'except if' are always interchangeable.

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